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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is a contribution that changes "Twentieth Century-Fox Film" to "Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation" with reference to the rules that says "Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names".
But we also have the rules that says "Omit company suffixes such as LLC, Ltd., Inc.". In my opinion, "corporation" is also such a suffix, and therefore should be omitted. Right or wrong? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,814 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's always been my understanding that suffixes that explain what kind of company it is are not part of the name. In the case of "Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation", Corporation is part of the name. My 2 pennies. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,374 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,837 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm in the "Twentieth Century-Fox Film" camp. |
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| Registered: September 6, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
There is a contribution that changes "Twentieth Century-Fox Film" to "Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation" with reference to the rules that says "Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names".
But we also have the rules that says "Omit company suffixes such as LLC, Ltd., Inc.". In my opinion, "corporation" is also such a suffix, and therefore should be omitted. Right or wrong? +1 |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | How do we separate the business name from the business designator? It's not as simple as it appears.
In the past, business entities used a comma, for example:
CompanyABC, Inc.
CompanyABC, Ltd.
In the above examples, "Inc" and "Ltd" are suffixes to the proper business name and should not be included in the profile.
On the other hand, some businesses dropped the comma and used the business name + business designator as their registered company name.
"Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation" was the legitimate registered company name from 1935-1985, followed by a name change to "Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation" (hyphen dropped) when Rupert Murdoch bought the company.
I have seen examples in Blade Runner and Braveheart, where one of the listed Studio names is "The Ladd Company" (not "The Ladd").
And what about Disney, their new business name is "The Walt Disney Company" and I see this printed on the back cover as distributor on many releases.
Surely we are not going to truncate the name to "The Walt Disney" or do we truncate the studio name further by dropping "The" (I couldn't find a rule supporting that action)?
The rules state not to truncate the Studio name and at the same time, it states to drop the business designator suffixes, so which has precedence?
My thoughts are if there is a comma separating the business name from the suffix then omit it in the profile.
On the other hand, if its incorporated into the legitimate registered company name (no comma) and they trade under that name then use the full credited name. |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here are more examples of production/media company names in the database that include "Corporation" or "Company" in their registered names:
The Mirisch Corporation ==> (In the Heat of the Night, The Party, Avanti!)
The Mirisch Company ==> (The Magnificent Seven, The Great Escape, The Horse Soldiers, The Pink Panther)
Motion Pictures Corporation of America ==> (Kingpin, Dumb & Dumber)
National Broadcasting Company (as production company for NBC's acclaimed 1952 TV series "Victory At Sea")
The Malpaso Company ==> (Hang 'em High, Joe Kidd, Dirty Harry, etc, until 1988 when it changed to Malpaso Productions)
Also, there are the public service broadcasters in other countries, such as the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (aka ABC) or the British Broadcasting Corporation (aka BBC), that can serve as media companies (publishing and distribution) in the database.
Even the American Broadcasting Company (aka ABC) in the United States could potentially distribute or publish content and end up in the database. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with ObiKen. "Corporation" or "Company" MAY be a company suffix, but not necessarily so. If there is a suffix like Inc., Ltd, Plc., GmbH etc. following Corporation or Company, then I would consider Inc. etc. to be the suffix which should not be included and Corporation or Company as part of the company name which SHOULD be entered. No one would consider these NOT to be part of the names of BBC and ABC, respectively. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,814 |
| | Posted: | | | | What ObiKen and Dee1959jay said. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with ObiKen. |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,374 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is quite true that saying "The Malpaso" or "The Mirisch" is clearly wrong.
In these, and lots of other cases, Company and Corporation are clearly part of the company name.
Which makes things confusing and, I would have thought, hard to set rules for. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should we set up a thread deciding where we should and shouldn't include these suffixes? |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't say that until now I have had much trouble distinguishing cases where it is a suffix and cases where it is not. But of course your mileage may vary, and please feel free to create such a thread! |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Started a thread. Hopefully we can come to agreement over when to include them and when not to. |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,655 |
| | Posted: | | | | But ObiKen, you're trying to replace Paramount Pictures (which is the disc credit!), with Paramount Pictures Corporation. That's absurd! "Paramount Pictures Corporation presents" is not the same disc credit as "Paramount Pictures presents"! Never in my 18 years using DVD Profiler has ANYONE contributed Paramount Pictures Corporation as a studio name. Trade name, legal name, cite all the sources outside of this program that you want, Paramount Pictures is still the credit, not PPC. Paramount may use PPC in their legal dealings, but that is irrelevant here. Oh, and the British Broadcast Corporation? They have been using that name in every medium (sometimes BBC) since their inception! Paramount Pictures Corporation has been using Paramount Pictures since their inception. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Paramount Pictures" is a registered trademark (owned by Paramount Pictures Corporation): https://uspto.report/TM/76385634
A trademark is not a company name, it is an alternate name to the owner of the trademark.
This was the actual 1998 film credits in question:
00:00;21 > PARAMOUNT PICTURES AND TOUCHSTONE PICTURES PRESENT
00:00:29 > A WILDWOOD ENTERPRISES / SCOTT RUDIN PRODUCTION
01:54:31 > COPYRIGHT ©MCMXCVIII TOUCHSTONE PICTURES AND PARAMOUNT PICTURES CORPORATION
In this film, both trademark and company name were displayed in the film credits and copyright, so company name takes precedence over the trademark for the profile and the rules state - Do not truncate the company name. |
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