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WARNING: wrong disc id with Windows 10 Update 1809 |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
can someone else also verify that this is the case, so we know it's not just a local hiccup? I would actually love to know if someone else can corroborate this, indeed, but the key in doing that is to find the right couple of profiles to test with, where the same set of circumstances applies. As I've said before: I have no problem with Blu-ray discs, nor do I have a problem with DVD's in which the Disc ID hasn't been updated in years. As of yet, the problem solely occurs with profiles that were originally submitted with the Disc ID as read out by Windows 10, and in which that Disc ID was later replaced with the "as read with AnyDVD" (or Win7) Disc ID. So in short, depending on how you look at this, you could say: profiles where the "wrong" (Win10) Disc ID has been replaced by the "proper" (Win7 or AnyDVD) Disc ID. Now, when I put the disc in, either with AnyDVD running or AnyDVD turned off, so with both of the Disc ID's that have been submitted into that profile, "Add by Disc ID" won't work for either of them, it won't recognise either Disc ID, not just the old one that was supposedly overwritten, but it also won't recognise the Disc ID currently stored in the profile. I've just ran a full/complete database repair, and then re-tested this with two separate discs, and the behaviour is the same: "Add by Disc ID" won't work, no matter whether AnyDVD is on or off. The option to "Scan DVD-ROM Drive" which is then supposed to locate the corresponding profile in my database, *that* works absolutely fine (as long as the Disc ID matches the current one stored in the profile), but "Add by Disc ID" does not. Again, this does not impact profiles of which the Disc ID has stayed the same over the last couple of years. It's just the ones that have been updated, rightly or wrongly, that exhibit this behaviour at my end. So for anyone else to test this, you'll have to find a profile of which you know for a fact that the Disc ID was recently updated, ideally with *this* particular change of a Windows 10-Disc ID to a Windows 7 (or AnyDVD-enabled) Disc ID. Only that particular set of circumstances results in this problem for me - for any other profile, it all works fine. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,284 |
| | Posted: | | | | The main problem I have with this is ... if and when Windows 10 is fixed (which I still hope it is) all these 'fictional' Disc IDs go away. So then, if nobody is using them, what's the point? |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,284 |
| | Posted: | | | | I remember way back when AnyDVD wasn't getting the Disc IDs right we were told, without question, to not run anything that changed the Disc ID before DVDProfiler could acknowledge it. Contributing Disc IDs generated with AnyDVD (or any other third-party program) was not allowed.
Why is Windows 10 any different, in this case?
If you have any other Windows version, everything is fine.
Ironically, since they adapted it, AnyDVD now fixes the problem! |
| | Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
So what's our stance on this, now? It doesn't seem likely that Invelos will fix this anytime soon - probably never. We can't expect each and every user to have seen and this thread, and we also can't expect every user to buy an AnyDVD license. But these Windows-10-Disc ID's are making their way into the database at an alarming rate. Are we still trying to stop that, or should we just give up, and accept that these Disc ID's *will* make their way into the database?
I encountered such a contribution this morning - a contribution that replaces the correct Disc ID with the incorrect Windows 10-readout of the exact same disc. I was able to verify that by turning AnyDVD off and on again. Based on those findings and on this thread, I have voted against this:
I've also sent the user a PM, again pointing him to this thread. Would you say that that's a good way to handle this, or should I just give up, vote "Neutral" and let the Windows 10 Disc ID replace the actual Disc ID? If the consensus is that it's a lost cause, then I'll stop voting against these... But I'd just like be sure on that - are we still trying to weed these Windows 10 Disc ID's out, trying to "educate" users who aren't aware of this yet, or have we just given up, and are we letting those Windows 10 Disc ID's replace the actual Disc ID's?
In short: is my no-vote accurate, or should I just let this go? I'm of the mind to stop inaccurate entries and kindly notifying the submitter of the issue, using your example. Thanks for that. |
| | Registered: June 6, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
As of yet, the problem solely occurs with profiles that were originally submitted with the Disc ID as read out by Windows 10, and in which that Disc ID was later replaced with the "as read with AnyDVD" (or Win7) Disc ID. I just submitted a contribution to Sense and Sensibility (043396115996) which restores the DiscID to pre-2018 conditions. When approved, it should provide a suitable profile for testing. |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Wigram: Quote:
Quoting ObiKen:
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New DVD Disc-ID profiles, created under Win10 v1809 or later, do show up in the "Add DVD by Disc ID" screen.
Tested this by deleting several DVD child Disc ID profiles and successfully adding them back via "Add DVD by Disc ID".
Are you running AnyDVD? If so, you have to disable it for that to work, No? AnyDVD is NOT installed on my system. I raised this issue a year ago on 07-Jul-2019 (page 5) and it hasn't changed with respect to DVDs. In addition, I also note from further testing that the " Add DVD by Disc ID" screen also doesn't appear to work correctly (that is, no valid UPC results) for Blu-ray and 4K UPC profiles when their UPC disc IDs were added and approved from Jan2017 and onwards. On the other hand, any Disc ID profile created using Blu-ray/4K discs will display matching Disc ID profiles in the " Add DVD by Disc ID" screen, irrespective of when it was created. | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Wigram: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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As of yet, the problem solely occurs with profiles that were originally submitted with the Disc ID as read out by Windows 10, and in which that Disc ID was later replaced with the "as read with AnyDVD" (or Win7) Disc ID.
I just submitted a contribution to Sense and Sensibility (043396115996) which restores the DiscID to pre-2018 conditions. When approved, it should provide a suitable profile for testing. Just for reference purposes, can you please advise the following information: 1. AnyDVD version number 2. Windows version number Thanks. |
| | Registered: June 6, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
Quoting Wigram:
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I just submitted a contribution to Sense and Sensibility (043396115996) which restores the DiscID to pre-2018 conditions. When approved, it should provide a suitable profile for testing.
Just for reference purposes, can you please advise the following information:
1. AnyDVD version number
2. Windows version number
AnyDVD: HD 8.4.9.0 Windows 10: version current when the contribution changing the DiscID was approved: 2019-06-28. |
| | Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm rendering no votes on incorrect DVD Disc ID contributions, especially for those already established profiles that exist in the main database. This last batch I personally and physically checked 2 of 3 "new" contributions before voting NO on all 3.
Here's my NO vote reason language: No! This is not a valid "alternative" Disc Id. It's an incorrect Disc ID read by a Windows 10 "bug". Please read the following: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=926221 before submitting further DVD Disc Id contributions.
Feel free to copy and paste I guess. |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just so I understand your reason for voting "NO", is it because you believe it is breaking DVD Profiler or is it because it's just invalid data?
Also, does "I'm rendering no votes on incorrect DVD Disc ID contributions" include non-UPC DVD Disc-ID profiles as well?
If so, how are you going to vote "NO" and stop the invalid data (non-UPC Disc ID profile) from being submitted or are you going to submit updates to have them removed? In which case, how are people going to create new DVD Box sets or Combo Sets under Win10 in future?
Thanks for any feedback. |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,284 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've said before, If anyone needs an old copy of AnyDVD (registered to me) which will solve the problem, I can send it. Just send me a private message and I will get it to you.
Neil |
| | Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
Just so I understand your reason for voting "NO", is it because you believe it is breaking DVD Profiler or is it because it's just invalid data?
Also, does "I'm rendering no votes on incorrect DVD Disc ID contributions" include non-UPC DVD Disc-ID profiles as well?
If so, how are you going to vote "NO" and stop the invalid data (non-UPC Disc ID profile) from being submitted or are you going to submit updates to have them removed? In which case, how are people going to create new DVD Box sets or Combo Sets under Win10 in future?
Thanks for any feedback. 1. Because it's technically invalid data. 2. More than likely, not voting on non-UPC DVD Disc-ID profiles to begin with... 3. Ultimately I can't stop anything. 4. See GreyHulks reply/post?!?!!? |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sigh. Another Windows 10 update and still no fix.  |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,284 |
| | | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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If the accurate Disc ID in a profile is overwritten with the Disc ID for that same disc as read out by a recent Windows 10 version, then, even although the contribution rules state: "All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler", DVD Profiler does in fact not recognise the disc by the previously "stored" Disc ID, only by the newly submitted Disc ID. Putting in the disc and asking DVD Profiler to scan the disc will result in this message:
So no, both IDs don't "work the same", unfortunately.
But that does beg the question: Has this ever worked before? Or was it always a "last Disc Id wins" kind of scenario? Good question. I tested multiple disc IDs in a single UPC profile using the Warner Archives Victor Victoria Blu-ray profile (888574-407728). In this profile, the original defective disc ID (DB99CD6367EAF55E) had a scene sequencing error (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcyFbIt3Y28) and was subsequently replaced by the fixed disc ID (652DF681D5477119). The UPC profile had both disc IDs added in 2016 ( the fixed disc ID was the last one added to the profile). Using Add by Disc ID option for both discs reported the same UPC profile (with different disc ID suffix displayed). If I deleted the UPC profile and Add by Disc ID using the defective disc, I end up downloading the UPC profile with the fixed disc ID (last one added). Using "Scan by DVD-ROM" option produces different results depending on which disc ID is stored locally (it may be locked). It will either find the local profile or prompt you to add the profile to your collection (and change the disc ID to the last added ID in the downloaded profile). The above results were the same using DVD 4.0 on either Win7 or Win10. So whilst it appears true that multiple disc IDs may be stored in the online UPC profile, it is the last disc ID added that is used for subsequent downloads. |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bump. Invalid Disc IDs still being submitted without people seeing this thread. I have asked several times for this thread to be pinned to the top of the forum, but still nothing. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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