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Why would there be more money from the HD DVD side when Blu-ray outsells HD DVD 2:1 and 3:1?

Because some people don't realize that the costs aren't equal between the two formats.  I don't know what the differences are, but 2:1 sales does NOT equal 2:1 profit.

I was thinking the exact same thing. 2 to 1 sales are relevant if costs are equal, which apparently they are not.

Richard Casey's (R&B Films) interview that I've linked to around 2 posts earlier says that there is no real cost difference between the two in software.  That has been covered.

Wal-Mart has a couple decent deals at 8am tomorrow morning, December 7th...

Toshiba HD-A3 plus 12 Free HD-DVDs for $298 (2 Free movies in the Box, 5 instant Free movies, and 5 Free through mail offer)

or...

Toshiba HD-A2 plus 10 Free HD-DVDs $198 (5 Free instantly and 5 more Free by mail).

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Please don't assume just because you say you covered and answered that area it doesn't mean that case is closed. Because apparently it isn't.

A_S has a bad habbit of providing links that do not support his opinion or, at times, completely contradict what he is saying.  This is a perfect example.

As for the interview, it is quite laughable.  The guy starts out saying, "there is no difference in cost," then proceeds to contradict that statement when he says they pay 30% more.  This is classic 'doublespeak'.

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I think I'm getting an LG combo player for Christmas, so I couldn't care less how this all turns out! 

     

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Why would there be more money from the HD DVD side when Blu-ray outsells HD DVD 2:1 and 3:1?

Because some people don't realize that the costs aren't equal between the two formats.  I don't know what the differences are, but 2:1 sales does NOT equal 2:1 profit.

I was thinking the exact same thing. 2 to 1 sales are relevant if costs are equal, which apparently they are not.

Richard Casey's (R&B Films) interview that I've linked to around 2 posts earlier says that there is no real cost difference between the two in software.  That has been covered.

I read your link. Not really a good article that covers costs (only one bullet out of 15) it did say that costs to manufacture bd was 30% higher over HD. Not sure how he came about that there is no differnce in costs for production, but replication costs there clearly is. This isn't misleading.

"5. Which HD format is less expensive to produce for? Details?
Well, if you asked me this question a year ago, the answer would be different. However, from a production standpoint, there is no difference in cost between HD and BD formats.
Also, as the professional tools for production mature, I have seen the cost for HD / BD authoring come down quite a bit.
However, when it comes to replication of the discs, BD clearly costs more money to produce.  We pay approximately 30% more for a BD Replicated Disc than we do for an HD replicated disc. To us, this is a negligible difference at this early stage of the game. 
Blu-ray Disc is a new format using somewhat different technology from HD-DVD.  I expect it to cost more in the beginning.  However, like anything else, pricing will drop on BD replication as the installed base of players increase and some of the R&D Costs are recouped."

Well since the higher costs idea seems to be mentioned a lot around this and other forums I did a quick search and found a much better article that would support your case than the one you posted.

The article was written back in Feb with an update early Nov.
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http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-replication-costs-revealed/111/
Second part:
http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-replication-costs-analyzed-again/113/

After reading this it doesn't appear that replication costs is 30% higher. Not sure if this site is reputable or not.

Please don't assume just because you say you covered and answered that area it doesn't mean that case is closed. Because apparently it isn't.

Why would you look at the magazine over the direct words from Richard Casey himself?  If the complete words that came directly from Richard Casey, who cares where it came from? 

He basically said there is no real difference for putting his content on HD DVD or Blu-ray cost wise.  The articles you linked to says there is no real difference in the cost of production, so what's the problem?  Where are all the sources from the producers of this content or the production houses that say there is a BIG difference in cost?  That's my point right there.

It's not about when I say the case is closed, but there is NO evidence of HD DVD's cost of software production being a real factor (especially at these volumes).  People are basing this on NOTHING, but hearsay.  Is that rational?  If it's more than hearsay the cost argument is based on, let's see all this information.

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So you think that just because you owned up to THAT incorrect information, it wipes it off the map?  Life doesn't work like that.  That fact is you entered this forum uninformed.  That made you a prime candidate for HD DVD evangelism (wait...that's right...they changed the name now).

Life doesn't work like what? You mean normal, intelligent people never make a mistake? Damn, I didn't know that. I could have gone back and edited the post but I didn't. I'm not hiding anything...I said that I made a mistake in the way I made that claim. I was wrong. I admitted it. That is the way life works. Of course you might not understand that since you are (according to yourself anyway) never "wrong"/always right. Even when confronted with information that totally negates the claims that you make you never admit to being wrong, or uninformed as you like to say. I say that does in fact make me a much bigger person than you. There, now I have said that I am above you. Happy now?

Now you are just lying.  I NEVER claimed I don't make mistakes.

Here is a harsh example of life and mistakes.  Someone makes the mistake of hanging out with the wrong people.  That person owns up to their mistake in front of the judge.  Does the judge just let that person go because he/she said I owned up to it?  Is it just erased from their record?  That is my point.

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I am a movie fan though.

BHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHA!

Lionsgate, Sony to bow first BD-Live titles in January
Web-enabled Blu-ray players still not confirmed
By Susanne Ault -- Video Business, 12/5/2007

DEC. 5 | LOS ANGELES—Lionsgate and Sony Pictures Home Entertainment will bring out the first Web-enabled Blu-ray Disc titles in January, even though hardware that can fully playback BD-Live interactivity has not yet been confirmed.

War and Saw IV, streeting from Lionsgate on Blu-ray and standard-definition DVD on Jan. 1 and Jan. 22, respectively, will carry networking features, confirmed the studio’s senior VP of DVD production, Miguel Casillas, during a panel discussion at Tuesday’s High-Def 2.0 conference here.

Casillas noted that with Saw IV, users will be able to share content through their Blu-ray players’ Web connections, but he did not elaborate further. He did not describe War’s interactivity in detail.

Sony executive VP of advanced technologies Don Eklund declined to specify titles but said Web-enabled features will represent a major theme in the studio’s 2008 Blu-ray slate.

“We have an aggressive program underway to use network capabilities on our titles next year,” said Eklund.

War and Saw IV will likely become the first networked titles released for Blu-ray. Earlier this year, Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment announced Sleeping Beauty and National Treasure would boast this interactivity, but they are not expected until later in 2008.

An onslaught of Web-enabled Blu-ray titles could prove an important weapon in the format war, as the HD DVD camp has touted its own networking abilities as a key advantage over Blu-ray. As Web connection comes standard in all HD DVD players, a number of titles on that format already offer networking interactivity, including the industry’s first e-commerce feature on Universal Studios Home Entertainment’s HD DVD release of Evan Almighty.

Studio executive panelists as well as manufacturers speaking at the conference acknowledged the current absence of BD-Live players. Yet, Eklund said Sony and other studios anticipate that the PlayStation 3 will soon become one such player, likely through firmware updates, as the console already allows users to download game-related content.

Eklund added that firmware should be released for the PS3 this month that would upgrade the console to fully playback picture-in-picture interactivity, another type of high-def bonus feature that is popular in HD DVD titles but not yet available with Blu-ray titles due to few compatible players.

“It’s the studio’s assumption” that PS3 will be a BD-Live player, said Eklund.

Overall, Blu-ray will remain an important part of the studio’s product pipeline in 2008.

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment and Disney will increase the number of releases in the format next year.

“We’re going to be extending our day-and-date releases and finding appropriate catalog titles,” said Simon Swart, executive VP and general manager North America at Fox. He added that the studio wants “to see what this format can do that really blows DVD away.”

Disney general manager North America Lori MacPherson added, “We want to keep offering a step beyond what people have seen.”

Source: Video Business