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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: You are selectively reading the rules, parsec. Try starting with page one, then come back and tell me what the primary source of data should be whenever possible. That statement is supported by the runtime you wuoted I am sorry, but I don't get what you are saying here. According the the rules, "the authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself." Now, unless I am missing something here, that means the content on the shiny round disc...not the case, but the disc. I suspect I am not missing anything because that point is further driven home by the rules saying, "always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible." Now what we have here are three different running times. One from the case and two from the DVD itself. The rules tell us to verify the information directly from the DVD, so that eliminates one of those running times. The question now becomes, which of the two times, verified directly from the DVD, is the correct time. The one where the main feature actually ends or the one where the track ends? Which of those times, in your opinion, do the rules support? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Kathy Then you have me confused. To e the rationale is both clear and obvious. Both in my initial comment and in my response to psrsec I see people selectively reading the rule. Including you all the time and amll too often. This is not the first time I have pointed out that the problems with interpretations of the rules is failure to read and grasp them in their entirety or by taking one small phrase or even just one word and interpreting it completely outbid the context of totality. So much of this nonsense is so totally unnecessary but you aren't willing to listen. The concept if context and totality completely escapes you, or you don't care. I prefer the former. The answer to the Crew is clear and obvious - and completely different from yours. You might not like it but I see you selectively reading the rules all the time. Why? Because you make statements, declare them to be true and then refuse, despite repeated requests, to back up your statements by quoting the relevant area in the rules. You have stated EXACTLY how I see this situation and why: "This is not the first time I have pointed out that the problems with interpretations of the rules is failure to read and grasp them in their entirety or by taking one small phrase or even just one word and interpreting it completely outbid the context of totality. So much of this nonsense is so totally unnecessary but you aren't willing to listen." I am open and willing to discuss the contribution process as long as it is done in a respectful way. But, I am not interested in being lectured or told what I must think or decide. I can make up my own mind. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Martian
Your quoting of the rules is correct. So what do you not understand, pal
e have as you noted apparently 3 possibles, but that info is incomplete. Case time...see rule. Two possible disc times, one of which is user determined, that is unacceptable. What we do not know is what the disc indicates the runtime to be. That if different from the case is the answer, not what some user thinks it is based on his own parameters. In this case not including music, how many movies have I seen which had an opening piece of music, an intermission, more music, and an exit score, even more music, no picture. The answer lies with the cover and the disc, not the users personal pinions, those always belong in only one place, locally. The online us for hard data, not interpreted data based on opinion. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Martian
Your quoting of the rules is correct. So what do you not understand, pal I did not understand what you were trying to say to Parsec. I think I understand it now, but I didn't then. I believe I have solved the riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma that was your post. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Must pause a second to celebrate
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!........Seattle, you are next up. Martian
I re read what I said , perfectly clear to me. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: I re read what I said , perfectly clear to me. I would hope so, you wrote it. Unfortunately, what is clear to you in the writing isn't always clear in the reading. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | The bad part is that sometimes goes both ways, my friend. If I understand that you aren't clear, I will try to explain it do it is. And vice versa, I hope.
I hope that what we have here is failure to c'mmunicate, is not the question. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: June 15, 2012 | Posts: 428 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: You are selectively reading the rules, parsec. Try starting with page one, then come back and tell me what the primary source of data should be whenever possible. That statement is supported by the runtime you wuoted I fail to see what on earth you are about. I read the rules and the one I quoted is exact from the contribution rules concerning run time of the release. It makes no difference what other innuendo you can perceive by perusing other sections of the rules Winston, the rules for acquiring the Run time data is there is black and white and is what I quoted. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | It's funny how sometime people just seem to argue for the fun of reading themselves on this forum... As Martian said there is three sources for the running time : the cover who is obviously wrong (anyway we always check on the disc) and two on the disc. Since the running time on the DVD is check manually and the film end usually after the end credits (and this film is one of those) the correct time is 1h18 as the encoding error of that label (I sure won't never buy anything from them) had nothing to do with the film.
For the name do as you please, personally I wouldn't use the "credited as" field because that looks incredibly silly but I think one way or another are acceptable. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Jimmy: If you were suggesting anything, please take note that I said almost precisely, one exception, what you said and git jumped for it.
I disagrrmee on the runtime, for us per the rules there are two possible runtimes. The cover or the runtime of the dis if different in this case, the third runtime is one determined by a user, this is not provided for in the rules. If reading the disc yields a runtime including the music thenn that is the runtime of for the contribution,the users opinion about the music or yours is meaningless and not within the rules. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Parsec
Selectively reading a piece of the rules all too often leads to a false interpretation, and that is the road you were heading down. You were seemin to put too much reliance on the cover time. When a proper understanding says essentially that if the cover time is the same as the disc time, cool, if nit the cover time is ignored.. we always go first to the disc for all data, except for the overview and the title. That is all I was trying to make clear for you. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Regarding the actual Run Time, what else should we cut? Eg local distributor's intro trailers attached to the main feature? The awful up to 20 seconds long StudioCanal intro comes to mind, is it correct to remove them? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | No, the disc runtime that is read by the player or software is the answer. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Nobody? Can't have a week go by without a stupid argument can you? Let it die. Make up your own mind and contribute it, who cares. Let the unfortunate few who own the title decide for themselves. Or better yet, throw the rotten disc away and demand a refund. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: June 15, 2012 | Posts: 428 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Parsec
Selectively reading a piece of the rules all too often leads to a false interpretation, and that is the road you were heading down. You were seemin to put too much reliance on the cover time. When a proper understanding says essentially that if the cover time is the same as the disc time, cool, if nit the cover time is ignored.. we always go first to the disc for all data, except for the overview and the title. That is all I was trying to make clear for you. Sorry, in this case you are wrong. Let me spell it out for you since you can't be bothered reading the rules or quotes thereof: You said (above): "we always go first to the disc for all data, except for the overview and the title" The rules say: "Running Time: Use the Running time specified on the DVD cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Running time." Thus the rule states and a contributor is correct in supplying the runtime as quoted on the cover. Only if the contributor is so inclined and wants to check the actual runtime to see if the back cover is correct would they then follow the verification as stated in the rule. They are perfectly within the rules just to enter the runtime as it appears on the cover. If you wish I can also point out other instances where your statement (quoted above) is incorrect (like the production year etc), but this thread is not the place for that. Happy new year | | | Last edited: by Parsec |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,685 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: Nobody?
Can't have a week go by without a stupid argument can you?. I'm sorry, did you wake up on the wrong side? I wasn't looking for an argument. I wanted to know what the correct way was to enter the data. So far I haven't argued anything, only asked a question. Seems to me that only one of us is starting a stupid argument, and it isn't me... | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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