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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
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So I will repeat my question. Honestly why is it not ok for Digibook collectors to display their beauties in Profiler, but it is ok for slip case collectors ? Is that really to much to ask ? In order to, in theory, avoid arguments the original release cover (keep case, slip case, slip cover, half slip over something else, whatever) is what Profiler displays online. It is supposed to save a lot of silly arguments from rambling on for multiple pages. If i don't like what is online (i toss most slip covers) i scan my own. Why is it so important for what is online to match your profile? Scan your own and go on with your life. Can't find the thread but here are the online scans from the original Highlander profile (013131172393) that had a half slip.   Everything old is new again. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly... the look of... or the collect-ability of the cover has nothing to do with it. It has always been whatever the original release is. If the original release was a slip cover then we scanned with the slip cover on. If it was originally released without the slip cover then it later gets a (collectable) slip cover.... the original release is not replaced. It remains the original release and the later slip cover becomes a local thing for those that have it. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Digibooks and steelbooks should have the paper back scanned if they came with one. I always interpreted the rules as the scans should look like "the item does in stores". Once you remove the back covers, it looks different and should be a local scan if that's what you want in your local database. How promo stickers on slipcovers got so much hate and have to be removed I never understood. Yeah they ugly, but they fall under "how it looked in stores".  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | A nice clean rule would be to always scan without slip whatevers. But then we would get an earful from the slip cover fetishists.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
A nice clean rule would be to always scan without slip whatevers. But then we would get an earful from the slip cover fetishists. I would be against that... but not because I necessarily prefer the slip cover... but there is times that all the main info (overview and all) are only on the slip cover... remove that and you end up with a back cover of only an image or design or what have you. There is also times when it is either a partial slip or a clear slip where some of the info is on the slip and the rest is on the inner case so you don't get all the info unless you scan the both together. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | I find these slip covers are needed for the scans. Often you have on the front worthfull information on it, like "Limited Special Edition" or such a thing. And the Back is often the only thing that has the EAN (UPC) on it and all the informations about the film and the Overview. And if you scan for these informations the back of the slip cover you have also to scan the front with it. We have a lot of them in Germany and people try always to remove it, loosing the Edition informations and such things. For me scans should be made with the slip cover therefor and I believe this is the meaning of most contributors here?
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
A nice clean rule would be to always scan without slip whatevers. But then we would get an earful from the slip cover fetishists. Quoting force: Quote:
So I will repeat my question. Honestly why is it not ok for Digibook collectors to display their beauties in Profiler, but it is ok for slip case collectors ? Is that really to much to ask ? It's not a question of fetishism, nor are Slip-Covers generally to be preferred. It's simply a question of consistency. For DVDProfiler purposes we use the scans of the first release in the maindatabase, if this is a release without a Slip-Cover that's perfectly OK. But as long as there is a Slip-Cover it doesn't matter what kind of package is inside (I've even seen Slip-Covers on SteelBooks), if it's the first release we use that. For your local database however you can use any scan you like. Exactly these end- and pointless discussions were the reason why I objected against these special cover rules that allow to use custom scans that don't match any release of a given DVD/BluRay, just because some don't like rating logos, others don't like Slip-Covers and again others don't like the distortions you get when scanning reflective covers ... this list could be continued forever. The perfect rule would have been: Scan what you have after you removed the shrink-wrap. Period. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
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Sounds to me like you just want to argue with anybody that disagrees with you.  That's completely wrong. But that is exactly what you are doing, arguing with everybody that doesn't agree with you. In my case, you even went so far as to claim that my opinion was based on my being jealous that I didn't get this edition.  Moving past that issue, I was going to respond to your other post, but tweeter and Lewis covered my thoughts fairly well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess I finally found the answer to this special problem:  | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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A nice clean rule would be to always scan without slip whatevers. But then we would get an earful from the slip cover fetishists.
I would be against that... but not because I necessarily prefer the slip cover... but there is times that all the main info (overview and all) are only on the slip cover... remove that and you end up with a back cover of only an image or design or what have you.
There is also times when it is either a partial slip or a clear slip where some of the info is on the slip and the rest is on the inner case so you don't get all the info unless you scan the both together. For each of these, I can think of of an exact opposite where the info isn't on the slip but under it. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning and Snakes on a Plane come to mind. I'm still for the slip scans even in these cases, but just pointing out it is a 2 way street. Resident Evil: Extinction US dvd would look silly with just the keepcase cover scanned. Looks great with clear slip and inner case though. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I never said there wasn't cases like you mentioned. I was just giving my reason for why I am against always scan without slip covers like KinoNiki mentioned. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I never said there wasn't cases like you mentioned. I was just giving my reason for why I am against always scan without slip covers like KinoNiki mentioned. In a way that's what I was trying to say also. I'd rather have the full artwork in cases like Resident Evil, and in the other cases (like Snakes on a Plane) you still get the overview and whatnot from the keep cover underneath. Even when I buy a used disc without a slip I like to see what I missed. Someday we'll have the multiple cover option including slip/no slip and re-releases, so everyone can just show the one they have/want. Another thought: First release often come with slip cover and digital copy, the DC isn't mentioned on the keepcase part cuz it won't be there on re-release. I don't see anyone complaining about DC being checked for original release. It's pretty much the same thing, some will get it, many others won't.  |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
A nice clean rule would be to always scan without slip whatevers. But then we would get an earful from the slip cover fetishists. I agree with that. Maybe you should post a request in the rules forum ?  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,119 |
| | Posted: | | | | it's lame when there is a scan of a very limited release-week slipcover, and the database is stuck with it because of the rule we've made here, even though practically every copy in stores is without the slipcover. Ken needs to allow for multiple scans of the same SKU so users can display which one represents which cover they have in their collection. It would stop a lot of fighting we have about cover scans. | | | | Last edited: by Doombear |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | The ability to have any cover available to download has been my number one request for years. My other is a fix for the BY problems. Neither seems to be something Ken or invelos cares to do and I've given up hope of either being taken care of.  |
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