Yeah, it's so clear now that A_S is a HD-DVD fan though you can tell that he knows the gig is about up by how quiet he's been and only one short post tonight and a fairly weak argument at that.

Or could it be this?

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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The Toshiba HD-XA2 is sold (at that same store) for $599.  And the Samsung BD player has more features.  Plus, it outputs at 1080p/24Hz.  That's something NO HD DVD player can currently do.

Quoting High Def Digest:

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Toshiba is planning to bring true 24p output capability to two of its its second-generation HD DVD players with a new firmware upgrade due this September.

Adding enhanced functionality to its HD-XA2 and HD-A20 second-gen HD DVD players, Toshiba says the planned firmware upgrade will introduce playback of film-based content at 1080p/24 frames per second (or 24p).

Cue his response about 2nd gen HD DVD players having features that 1st Gen players don't, totally ignoring the exact same point about BD...

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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So, please go out and buy HD DVD players.  Go buy 1 or 2 for every room in your place.  Nothing would please me more! 

The 2 ounces of respect I had for you just disappeared by posting such a nasty comment, I'm not sure what you were aiming for with that.

You claim you're not trying to convince anyone to do anything, yet you belittle anyone who actually dares to say he/she likes the HD-DVD format.

You claim you just present the facts and that as a result of this, people (HD-DVD fanboys you tag them) attack you. What you are failing to grasp is the fact that the problem does not lie within what you say are facts, it's the way you are presenting them. Mighty arrogant, wouldn't you say? And at the end of the pole, you're just coming off like a preacher. And THAT is annoying. I truly don't get it (just like I don't get what the hell is that thing in your avatar...  )

I'll ask again. Why is it then that you feel the need to tell everyone that you're right and they're wrong? This is about the only single thread in which you post so I can only see this one sided attitude of yours. You're really not interested in having a discussion about the format. If anyone tries to see the other end of the spectrum, you hit back and start posting your 'facts', one after the other. If that is not trying to convince, I don't know what it is then.

You're biased. It's ok. I guess we all can handle that. But that last paragraph in your post... Good heavens, talk about hit-and-run tactics. And that just makes me believe you have become a running gag. Try not to become a troll, you're dangerously approaching that red zone area.

Quoting snarbo:

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No this is the reason A_S has gone quiet.

See Here

Now if the wii played HD-DVD's, I would agree with you.  But it's like comparing apples to a station wagon.

HD DVD Releases for June 26 (Week Ending July 1)

    * American Me  (Universal)
    * Army of Darkness (Re-issue) (Universal)
    * Being John Malkovich (Universal)
    * The Big Lebowski (Universal)
    * Black Snake Moan (Paramount)
    * Bulletproof (Universal)
    * Dead Silence (Universal)
    * Freedom: 1 (Bandai Visual)
    * Hustle & Flow (Paramount)
    * Mallrats (Universal)
    * Meet Joe Black (Universal)
    * Mystery Men (Universal)
    * Unleashed (Re-issue) (Universal)
    * The Watcher (Universal)

14 Titles (2 Re-issues)

Blu-ray Releases for June 26 (Week ending July 1)

    * Black Snake Moan  (Paramount)
    * Hustle & Flow (Paramount)

You will notice these 2 releases were/are also available on HD DVD.

HD DVD had 7 times the number of releases Blu-ray had.

The Results...





Any hopes of HD DVD winning a week this year is basically going out the window.  There are maybe 2 more windows of opportunity open for HD DVD.

I haven't posted because I was waiting on the results from the 7:1 title release HD DVD had for that week.  I was pretty sure the numbers would either be about 60% in HD DVD's favor (which would have been bad news for HD DVD), or about even (which would have been really bad news for HD DVD).  But, this 65% in Blu-ray's with a 7:1 disadvantage is HORRIBLE news for HD DVD owners/supporters!

BTW, comparing the Wii to the PS3 is not the most intelligent thing to do.  Comparing it to the PS2 would be a lot more accurate and that would 115+ million to 8+ million.  Who thinks the Wii would last that long?  But, this topic is not for HD DVD vs. Blu-ray threads.

July 19 Releases (Week Ending 6/24)

HD DVD releases

None


Blu-ray releases

Bridge to Terabithia  (Buena Vista)


The Results...

These are the specs of a title coming out on Blu-ray and HD DVD called NATURE'S JOURNEY.  This group is completely maxing out the specs for both formats.  It should be great demo material.

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HD/BD-DVD Specification Sheet

Nature’s Journey

__________________________________________________ __________ ___________________________

Stock #: RBF-DV-10708 (DVD Version)
Cat. #: 8-81991-10708-0
Price: $19.98

Stock #: RBF-HD-20708 (HD DVD Version)
Cat. #: 8-81991-20708-7
Price: $29.98

Stock: RBF-BD-30708 (Blu-ray Disc Version)
Cat. #: 8-81991-30708-4
Price: $29.98
__________________________________________________ __________ ___________________________

Warnings/Logos/Etc.
- None

Interactive Menus
- Main Menu (seamless & uninterrupted content/menu interactivity)
- Environmental/Season Loops Menu
- Chapter Selections Menu
- Extras Menu (Supplemental material)
- Audio Setup Menu

Feature Video
- Total Runtime: Approximately 67

HD-DVD
• VC-1 Encode at 26 Mbps / 1080i @ 29.97

Blu-ray DIsc
• VC-1 Encode at 37 Mbps / 1080i @ 29.97

Feature Audio

HD-DVD

* DTS-HD High Resolution 5.0 ~ 96/24 @ 3 Mbps
* Dolby Digital 5.0 ~ 48/24 @ 448 kbps
* Dolby Surround 2.0 (Pro Logic II) ~ 48/16 @ 192 kbps

Blu-ray Disc

* DTS-HD Master Audio (Lossless) 5.0 ~ 96/24 @ 5.3 Mbps Average and 6.8 Mbps Max
* Dolby Digital 5.0 ~ 48/24 @ 448 kbps
* Dolby Surround 2.0 (Pro Logic II) ~ 48/16 @ 192 kbps

Audio Commentary
- None

Subtitles
- None

Extras (Supplemental Material)
- Illuminated Manuscripts Trailer
- Ritual Path Trailer
- Production Credits

__________________
Richard J. Casey
---------------------
R&B Films, Ltd.
Producers Guild of America, New Media Council
(HD-DVD / BD Industry Insider)

www.rbfilms.com

Notice the difference in the audio and video numbers.  If you look at the Blu-ray audio specs for this title, you see what Hollywood studios COULD put on movie titles.  Obviously, to accommodate that level of audio yet maintain a great video encode, bandwidth and space is necessary.  Now, this title is only about 67 mins long.  He still couldn't fit a DTS-HD MA lossless track, at 96kHz/24bits, on the HD DVD disc.  In this case, space is not the issue...bandwidth is.

Here's a quote from him...

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We were limited by the bandwidth of HD-DVD....there was no room to push the encode AND have DTS-HD Master Audio. I would need to "dumb down" so to speak the video encode to make it fit within the allocated bandwidth. I felt that PQ was more important to most people, so I went for best PQ with outstanding audio.

For longer films, you would need more space (like a movie that's 114 mins or longer...the average movie length) on top of bandwidth.  That bandwidth and space is provided on Blu-ray.

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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BTW, comparing the Wii to the PS3 is not the most intelligent thing to do.  Comparing it to the PS2 would be a lot more accurate and that would 115+ million to 8+ million.  Who thinks the Wii would last that long?  But, this topic is not for HD DVD vs. Blu-ray threads.

We all know that is what you want, but what you want doesn't equal what is right.  Because the PS3 is more than just a 'game console', it should be kicking the crap out of a 'passing fad'.  I mean, it is a Blu-ray player and a game console.  Gamers and HiDef enthusiasts alike should be snatching it up right and left.  But they aren't.  Why?  My guess would be that people are looking at it as 'just a game console' and nothing more.  As a 'game console', the Wii is just more fun.