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  | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Here is an industry insider (Talkstr8t) from the AVS forum saying that (look for time index on the right for 03-28-07 09:22 AM). Now it's not just my word. You'll understand, of course, that I take this insider's word as seriously as you take Amir's and others? Quote:
This guy talks about the math behind it. That way you can apply it to both sides and all films. He also goes into rates that everyone (yourself included) agree are "extremely content specific." Quote:
I'm not back, per se. It's you and others that play the part of the antagonist. The funny thing is how you are others try to spin it so it looks like I'm the antagonist and they are the protagonists.  There's no spin. Go back and read SailorRipley's posts objectively, we'd prefer if you cut (way) back on the extreme BD plugging and back patting. When I post about for instance Zodiac, it's neutral, both formats mentioned. From your Paramount/blu-ray.com post: Quote:
For the past year, Blu-ray owners have cringed as they saw release after release issued with low bit rate MPEG-2 video encodes and Dolby Digital soundtracks, while the HD DVD versions received VC-1 encodes and higher bit rate Dolby Digital Plus audio. It was disappointing to say the least. This I happen to agree with, the constant non-Plus Dolby Digital 5.1 (640 kbps) tracks were a bummer. Quote:
Paramount will ship its first high definition title to include a lossless or uncompressed soundtrack - 'Blades of Glory'. This title will feature a PCM 5.1 soundtrack for the Blu-ray release, but will feature no equivalent on the HD DVD, presumably because of the smaller disc capacity. This is odd, plain and simple. A 90 minute comedy which doesn't have that many extras. 300 is much longer with far more extras, yet it contains TrueHD. Quote:
Two weeks later, Paramount will ship 'Face/Off' with extras features available in high definition, but only on the Blu-ray version, again due to space constraints. Well, I'd say BD hasn't earned the right to talk about fewer extras just yet.  Space constraints also occur when you load up a disc with PCM and TrueHD for no good reason instead of including any bonus material... | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | ^^...I think you even know better than that. Moving on... The Nielsen Videoscan numbers for the week (all images are available this week for those certain people).   Blu-ray Releases for July 17 * The Fifth Element (Remastered) (Sony) * Premonition (Sony) * Waiting... (Lionsgate) * Wild Things (Sony) HD DVD Releases for July 17 None | | | To err is human...
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| | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | False alarm: Target's not giving up on HD DVD: "As noted on Engadget HD the other day, and further clarified by Major Nelson this morning, that story about Target going exclusively Blu-ray was false. Turns out they're just installing Blu-ray aisle end caps, thanks to a new promotional deal with Sony, but HD DVD isn't going anywhere. Hopefully you haven't chucked out your HD DVD collection just yet in a concession to defeat at Thursday's "news," but if you have it's always good to know you can score replacements at your local Target, just like always." | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | If people could actually read these days, your article would not have been needed.
The press release by both Sony and Target stated that Target would be selling Blu-ray players exclusively in store, but they would still be carrying HD-DVD movies in store as well as selling players online.
Then it came out that this was only thru the holliday season.
Learn to READ people! It's not that hard. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
False alarm: Target's not giving up on HD DVD: It's all a bunch of hype about nothing really. At least in my part of the country, Target is the absolute worst place to shop for any HD material. The only have 12-15 space for each format and they're typically not well stocked. So even if they did dump HD-DVD, it wouldn't be a big loss to me personally. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | So people went all half-cocked because Target installed aisle end caps? Talk about rampant speculation and diarrhea of the fingers. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess the same would go for this supposed Wal-Mart deal for HD DVD, right? I mean most of their stores don't even carry HD DVD movies at all. A lot only carry a couple Blu-ray movies in the games display cases. The difference being that Blu-ray standalones actually will be in Wal-Mart though...unlike in Target where there will be none. The Target end caps will include more Blu-ray titles. | | | To err is human...
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473 Blu-ray Titles | | | | Last edited: by Ascended_Saiyan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
I guess the same would go for this supposed Wal-Mart deal for HD DVD, right? I mean most of their stores don't even carry HD DVD movies at all. A lot only carry a couple Blu-ray movies in the games display cases. The difference being that Blu-ray standalones actually will be in Wal-Mart though...unlike in Target where there will be none. The Target end caps will include more Blu-ray titles. We are just entering August. With Paramount announcing that Star Trek will be on HD DVD, Target's plans for the holiday season may change. Trekkies have shown that they don't care about the price so I have no doubt that the HD sets will sell. Target executives would be stupid not to stock HD DVD players to tap that potential market. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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I guess the same would go for this supposed Wal-Mart deal for HD DVD, right? I mean most of their stores don't even carry HD DVD movies at all. A lot only carry a couple Blu-ray movies in the games display cases. The difference being that Blu-ray standalones actually will be in Wal-Mart though...unlike in Target where there will be none. The Target end caps will include more Blu-ray titles.
We are just entering August. With Paramount announcing that Star Trek will be on HD DVD, Target's plans for the holiday season may change. Trekkies have shown that they don't care about the price so I have no doubt that the HD sets will sell. Target executives would be stupid not to stock HD DVD players to tap that potential market. I guess they are stupid because the deal with Sony says they cannot sell HD-DVD players in store during the holiday season. What else woudl "exclusive" mean? | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... | | | | Last edited: by NewEnglander |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
I guess they are stupid because the deal with Sony says they cannot sell HD-DVD players in store during the holiday season. What else woudl "exclusive" mean? I understand that but things can change. I can't see Target giving up those potential sales...unless Sony has given them a nice chunk of change to make up for it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting pplchamp:
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I guess they are stupid because the deal with Sony says they cannot sell HD-DVD players in store during the holiday season. What else woudl "exclusive" mean?
I understand that but things can change. I can't see Target giving up those potential sales...unless Sony has given them a nice chunk of change to make up for it. So HD DVD is for the people that really care about price, but they won't care about a $218 price tag? I'm somewhat of a Trekkie, but I won't be the Trekkie that owns that set at $218 (even if I owned a HD DVD player). That's about the price of an HD DVD player! Potential sales for Target? You mean the few thousand copies they probably would have sold? The Matrix appealed to a wider audience and what were their sales like? Usually when a contract is broken, substantial compensation is provided. Do you think HD DVD is worth that much to Target, honestly? | | | To err is human...
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473 Blu-ray Titles | | | | Last edited: by Ascended_Saiyan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
So HD DVD is for the people that really care about price, but they won't care about a $218 price tag? I'm somewhat of a Trekkie, but I won't be the Trekkie that owns that set at $218 (even if I owned a HD DVD player). That's about the price of an HD DVD player! There is the key phrase right there. A true Trekkie won't care about the price. If they did, Voyager and DS9 wouldn't be going for $80+ while sets like Stargate are sold for $30+. As was said in another thread, "But it's Star Trek!" I have a true Trekkie in the family and the Paramount announcement has made their HD choice for them. Quote:
Potential sales for Target? You mean the few thousand copies they probably would have sold? The Matrix appealed to a wider audience and what were their sales like? What world are you living in where 'The Matrix' is more popular than Star Trek?  Quote:
Usually when a contract is broken, substantial compensation is provided. Do you think HD DVD is worth that much to Target, honestly? I will leave that up to the lawyers as I have not seen the actual contract.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Farscape goes for $90+. Are you saying that means Farscape can really fetch those prices? Only to a few people...not me and I love Farscape. I can answer just about any Star Trek question out there. I think that would qualify me to speak as a true Trekkie. Anyway, let's just wait and find out what happens with the numbers. It's not that far away. I will be more than happy to be right, again. Let's mark this page to revisit after the Nielsen Videoscan number come out for that week. Then will we track it from that point on. What do you say?  | | | To err is human...
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473 Blu-ray Titles | | | | Last edited: by Ascended_Saiyan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
I can answer just about any Star Trek question out there. I think that would qualify me to speak as a true Trekkie. ... a true Trekkie, with close to 2000 DVDs and not one of them a Star Trek title.  | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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I can answer just about any Star Trek question out there. I think that would qualify me to speak as a true Trekkie.
... a true Trekkie, with close to 2000 DVDs and not one of them a Star Trek title. As he can answer just about any question regarding Star Trek, they must have been memorized very well and therefore the DVDs are not needed.  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Farscape goes for $90+. Are you saying that means Farscape can really fetch those prices? Only to a few people...not me and I love Farscape. If it couldn't fetch those prices, they would have dropped the price by now. Since they haven't, then logic dictates they can. Quote:
I can answer just about any Star Trek question out there. I think that would qualify me to speak as a true Trekkie. Make up your mind. In your first post you said you were, "somewhat of a Trekkie." Now, in an attempt to bolster your point, you are a 'true Trekkie'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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