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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Battling Butler: Quote:
DreamWorks and Paramount choose the high-definition discs over rival Blu-ray. They should have chosen their words wisely. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Blu-ray camp state that this announcement by Paramount and DreamWorks "Is Only A Flesh Wound" | | | | Stuart | | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 405 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am sorry but I cannot believe how anyone can say that Blu-Ray appeared on the verge of winning the Hi-Def format war???
It is simple statistics...SONY and the BDA love to quote the sales numbers that show Blu-Ray outselling HD-DVD almost 2-1, but those numbers are simply miniscule when you look at total media sales since January 2007. In the article Battling Butler quoted below it stated that BR sold 2.1 millions discs to HD-DVD which sold 1.1 million discs, however the really significant number is the nearly 500 million who still bought DVDs.
So let's look at the numbers in simple terms...if the population sample is 500 people and only 1 person out of those 500 likes HD-DVD while 2 people chose Blu-Ray and the other 497 people choose "I could care less right now", how can you say that the poll favors Blu-Ray with any serious signifance???
The only fact here that matters right now is that the consumers have not jumped on the Hi-Def bandwagon (yet) for some significant reason. The consumer will not be swayed by 2 to 1 sales numbers or such baloney because they don't care about who is selling the most discs. The consumer will care about how cheap the technology is and how simple it will be to upgrade from current DVD Home Theater to Hi-Def Home Theater.
You can argue that the next "Big Title Summer Blockbuster" might sway the decision but you would be wrong, specially since the average consumer LOVES his DVD player and he can still buy and enjoy said "Summer Blockbuster" on his beloved DVD player!!!
It can also be argued that the average consumer is still a bit unsure about what exactly Hi-Def is and how difficult (or costly) it is to upgrade. Certainly the first company to offer sub $200 Hi-Def players may just easily sway that 2-1 margin more favorably in their direction. Basically with only a small portion of people buying into the Hi-Def format right now, these statistics can easily be swayed with only one holiday season of cheap HD-DVD players hitting the stores at the right time. And clearly Blu-Rays big 2-1 lead is bolstered by the technology being part of the PS3 gaming system. The argument still remains, if the Blu-Ray option didn't exist as part of the PS3, would that 2-1 margin really exist? PS3 players are a significant part of the BDAs hardware, but again they only help to boost the clearly weak statistics that they love to spout about, why the other $400 million consumers who probably could care less about a gaming console continue to ride the fence about either Hi-Def format!!!
This WAR is far from over and Paramount's decision to join HD-DVD simply proves it outright!!! | | | | My Collection!!! | | | | Last edited: by Calidain |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 405 |
| | Posted: | | | | And another thing...Joe Blow who goes down to his local Wal-Mart or BestBuy doesn't know, nor care jack squat about format disc size and or lossless audio specs, or what video codec the movie is filmed with. What he knows or will learn will come from some underpaid unknowledgable sales person who slept through half of the tech class on how to sell Hi-Def players!!! The average consumer doesn't really want to know how it works, just what it does!!!
I applaud A_S for all his hard research on Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD and his crusade to edumacate us unknowledgable cretins, but clearly he is naive to believe that anyone outside of these forums full of movie and techno geeks will understand or give a rats arse about what he has to say. For in the end, it will be the Joe Blows of the world, with his Cinder Block entertainment system, giving up his average weekly paycheck who will decide this format war, not us geeks who care about region free, high FPS, high bitrate, lossless audio all packed upon a mega-gigabyts shiny disc!!! | | | | My Collection!!! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ruineddaydreams: Quote:
1. this is bad - this will prolong the conflict and possibly result in a stalemate (SACD / DVD-A) I love how its fine that Fox and Disney are Blue exclusive, yet Paramount going the other way is not. Shows how well the Sony F.U.D. squad do in convincing people BD has already won and is actually the better format. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Calidain: Quote:
And another thing...Joe Blow who goes down to his local Wal-Mart or BestBuy doesn't know, nor care jack squat about format disc size and or lossless audio specs, or what video codec the movie is filmed with. What he knows or will learn will come from some underpaid unknowledgable sales person who slept through half of the tech class on how to sell Hi-Def players!!! The average consumer doesn't really want to know how it works, just what it does!!!
I applaud A_S for all his hard research on Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD and his crusade to edumacate us unknowledgable cretins, but clearly he is naive to believe that anyone outside of these forums full of movie and techno geeks will understand or give a rats arse about what he has to say. For in the end, it will be the Joe Blows of the world, with his Cinder Block entertainment system, giving up his average weekly paycheck who will decide this format war, not us geeks who care about region free, high FPS, high bitrate, lossless audio all packed upon a mega-gigabyts shiny disc!!! Yup. Despite specs, VHS beat Beta. Market forces are unpredictable things. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,338 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Quoting ruineddaydreams:
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1. this is bad - this will prolong the conflict and possibly result in a stalemate (SACD / DVD-A)
I love how its fine that Fox and Disney are Blue exclusive, yet Paramount going the other way is not. Shows how well the Sony F.U.D. squad do in convincing people BD has already won and is actually the better format. actually - technically speaking - i dont think there ever was a debate - blu-ray has a lot of technological things that hd does not..... the fact that blu-ray had more exclusive studios - is what led many people to believe they would win the war... they are selling better, and had more exclusive... now the playing field is way more even... and that is not good in general... it will prolong this war, possibly to the point that it becomes too confusing for consumers and both fail. engadget is now reporting via the NY Times - that the Microsoft paid Paramount / Dreamworks $150,000,000 in exchange for 18 months of exclusivity. also - the digital bits has a great editorial stating what is now to me obvious. why does Microsoft care so much? The Reason: Confuse Consumers - Allow Download Services take a greater market share. when a download service can get me a 50GB movie that i can keep forever at an affordable price - let me know.... until then i want physical media... and a unified format. | | | | -JoN |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ruineddaydreams: Quote:
actually - technically speaking - i dont think there ever was a debate - blu-ray has a lot of technological things that hd does not..... Absolute rubbish, more Sony Defense Force F.U.D. in action. |
| | Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 418 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Quoting ruineddaydreams:
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actually - technically speaking - i dont think there ever was a debate - blu-ray has a lot of technological things that hd does not.....
Absolute rubbish, more Sony Defense Force F.U.D. in action. Like Rootkits that will break any device you play your DVD's in. Also didn't Sony just add a new copywrite scheme that made you have to go buy a new DVD player cause it wouldn't play in older ones including Sony's? I read about that a while back ago. |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ruineddaydreams: Quote:
the digital bits has a great editorial... Bill Hunt used to be a great champion of home theater enthusiasts. Note the use of past tense. These days it appears he's turned into a frothing-at-the-mouth fanboy. In the past he's made it no secret that he prefers Blu-Ray to HD DVD. In fact, his entire site has gone on record to officially support that format in the current war. This is perfectly fine and reasonable. No one cried foul when they supported DVD over Circuit City's DIVX back in the early days of DVD. But the way he was carrying on when this news broke, spewing what amounts to speculations at best and outright lies at worst, and basically throwing a giant tantrum... well, it's pretty disappointing and very unprofessional. Quoting Bill Hunt of thedigitalbits.com: Quote:
How do you like THEM apples? Spielberg wouldn't let them take his films to HD-DVD because he's all about Blu-ray Disc. So what do Paramount and DreamWorks do? They bury that news as the last bit of information in their press release. Greedy little bastards. Hey... Moneysoft talks apparently. Later in the day I guess he decided to tone it down a bit. He edited his post (without any indication as to having done it or what was there before) to something where he doesn't come across quite as batshit crazy as he was in the original: Quoting Bill Hunt of thedigitalbits.com: Quote:
How do you like THEM apples? Not exclusive to either format? Spielberg's decided his first film on high-def disc is coming out on Blu-ray Disc only. So what do Paramount and DreamWorks do? They bury that little factoid at the tail end of their press release. Nice. Okay, Spielberg hasn't made any kind of public statements to that effect that he supports only Blu-ray. But why then isn't Universal able to release any of his films on HD-DVD? Why then does this deal with Paramount and DreamWorks NOT include Spielberg titles? Because Spielberg wouldn't allow it is the only thing that makes any sense. I lost a lot of respect for both Bill Hunt and his website yesterday. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
The clincher "was not the incentives from [the HD DVD representatives] so much as the fact that they're doing their job in making this platform highly appealing and extremely affordable," I wonder if this is a hint that the new BD-J isn't going to make it to market in October like the BDA has been insisting? Not only does the $150M buy Microsoft some time for download to get its act together, but it also incidentally helps suppress PS3 sales for anyone who was considering it as a BD player rather than as a gaming console---improving the 360's market share. Clever lads. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Bill Hunt used to be a great champion of home theater enthusiasts. Note the use of past tense. These days it appears he's turned into a frothing-at-the-mouth fanboy. [...]
But the way he was carrying on when this news broke, spewing what amounts to speculations at best and outright lies at worst, and basically throwing a giant tantrum... well, it's pretty disappointing and very unprofessional.
Later in the day I guess he decided to tone it down a bit. Had to tone it down is more accurate. Bill Hunt's a tool, notorious among fellow DVD folks since the "early days." - - - " From today's My 2 Cents, at Digitial Bits: Bill Hunt can't still say this, can he?" "He absolutely should not. To expand, he sent email asking how much money was paid to Paramount after his first blog! That is the email that I answered. If he does not retract that misinformation, I am tempted to post my answer word for word for the world to see. What is funny is that he goes to stipulate that we don't have a reason to spend that kind of money on HD DVD. Yet he thinks it is true because someone told him it was, [someone] who has no clue about this situation." | | | Erik
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow...this is a good example of "if you tell a lie enough times it becomes truth". I have seen a couple of people quote the $150 million number when it is nothing but speculation.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Amir (who has posted here in the past and is a Microsoft VP) has stated multiple times over at AVSForum that Microsoft has not paid a single cent to Paramount/Dreamworks. Nor have they provided any form of compensation.
This bit about Microsoft paying $150 million is pure rubbish. It sounds like $150 million was paid, but not by Microsoft. There's no reason to keep spreading this false rumor. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Michael Bay: No Blu-ray? No Transformers 2!
By BetaNews Staff, BetaNews
August 21, 2007, 10:55 AM
Apparently miffed at Paramount's announcement yesterday that it would only offer movies in HD DVD format and not Blu-ray after testing both formats for a year, director Michael Bay says he will not make a second "Transformers" movie - which may or may not be a bad thing depending on your tastes.
"I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!" Bay wrote in a forum posting on his "Shoot for the Edit" Web site. The response highlights the frustration that both directors and consumers are experiencing with competing high-definition formats. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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