It is quite simple. Pantheon's contribution would have improved the profile in the Online DB. Even if I would disagree (which I don't) with his reasoning for omitting the Moorehead cast entry for certain episodes, I wouldn't vote No on that contribution (Okay, I don't vote. But if I would, I wouldn't ).

Quoting smeehrrr:

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Question for Pantheon: If I submitted an overview with a sentence missing, would you vote yes or no?

Good question but irrelevant to the discussion.  Apples and oranges.  In the case in question, Agnes Moorehead did not contribute anything to the episode so the producers didn't show her in the standard end credits.  Not showing her in an episode in which she didn't appear is a totally different issue than submitting an overview with a sentence missing (which sentence WAS displayed on the back cover). 

Two totally different issues related only by semantic definition of what is complete and what isn't.  the missing sentence in the overview diminishes the value of that overview.  Agnes Moorehead's absence from credits for an episode she wasn't in doesn't affect the value of that cast list one iota.  She's not listed because SHE WASN'T THERE.

I would agree with the other side if there weren't specific credits for the principal cast in the end credits and they were only shown in the opening credits -- as in most current TV series.  But the producers had a reason for showing the end credits they did -- and for omitting Agnes Moorehead BECAUSE SHE WASN'T THERE.

Quoting hal9g:

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The credits at the beginning of the episode are credits for that episode. She is credited in the opening credits, whether she appeared or not.

The producers saw fit to give her a credit in the episode.  We are supposed to enter credits from the actual credits.

She belongs in the DVDP credits for no other reason than that she appears in the episode credits.

And I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York were in the opening credits - but REPEATED in the end credits to indicate their actual involvement in the episodes.

Agnes Moorehead was NOT repeated.

Quoting Agrare:

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The credits at the beginning of the episode are part of the opening. That opening is for the whole series/season. The producers chose to exclude her from the end credits but not others that were also credited in the opening. Do you really think they did this for no reason\randomly or the more logical because she wasn't involved in that episode.

I know your going to say some series use multiple openings that don't list these people. but that has an expense to it, and the lack of them doing that could simply be monetary.

She appeared in 'credits' that are only used when non standard credits are present. These credits appear to be very standard, but you seem to ignore any post that mentions that. Why are Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York credited twice then? Maybe the producers saw fit to credit them twice, so we should credit them twice as well if for no other reason than they appear in the credits twice.

-Agrare

What he said, more eloquently than I.

Quoting Pantheon:

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How many times do I have to say this....she's NOT involved.

Not only is she NOT credited in the end credits...but, she doesn't appear in the episodes either.

I checked after this debacle began...on the offchance that she was omitted from the end credits in error.
She wasn't.
The makers omitted her from the end credits because she doesn't appear in those episodes.

Therefore, the standard rules apply. Everyone INVOLVED is credited in the end credits.
It's that simple.

None of this changes the fact that she IS credited in the opening credits.  I am sorry, but there is no way around that little fact.  Because she IS credited in the opening credits, and not in the end, the end credits...by default...are not standard credits.

I know you don't agree, but that is how I see it.

Quoting Unicus69:

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Quoting Pantheon:

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How many times do I have to say this....she's NOT involved.

Not only is she NOT credited in the end credits...but, she doesn't appear in the episodes either.

I checked after this debacle began...on the offchance that she was omitted from the end credits in error.
She wasn't.
The makers omitted her from the end credits because she doesn't appear in those episodes.

Therefore, the standard rules apply. Everyone INVOLVED is credited in the end credits.
It's that simple.

None of this changes the fact that she IS credited in the opening credits.  I am sorry, but there is no way around that little fact.  Because she IS credited in the opening credits, and not in the end, the end credits...by default...are not standard credits.

I know you don't agree, but that is how I see it.

The key word here is INVOLVED. The definition of standard credits from the rules is: "For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film"

To emphasize:
'All credited actors involved'
'listed together'
'end of the film'

The rules clearly state the word involved. Agnes Moorehead was NOT involved - which is supported by A. Not actually appearing in the episode which I verified visually.
B. Not being credited in the end credits where everyone else who was INVOLVED was credited.

I'm sorry, but the rules are clear.

If I was the ONLY person who felt that this is what the rules meant, do you honestly think I would be so insistent? It would make my life so much easier to simply add Agnes to the cast - but, that would be wrong.
She wasn't involved; she wasn't credited = do not list in Profiler.

You blew it, surfeur. You did fine until...you just had to bring it in. User generrated are fine to fix, distributor generated typos are NOT , should not be and won't be. That is common sense, BTW, just not YOUR view of common sense. Which is the whoile problem with common sense.

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Quoting Agrare:

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The credits at the beginning of the episode are part of the opening. That opening is for the whole series/season. The producers chose to exclude her from the end credits but not others that were also credited in the opening. Do you really think they did this for no reason\randomly or the more logical because she wasn't involved in that episode.

I know your going to say some series use multiple openings that don't list these people. but that has an expense to it, and the lack of them doing that could simply be monetary.

She appeared in 'credits' that are only used when non standard credits are present. These credits appear to be very standard, but you seem to ignore any post that mentions that. Why are Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York credited twice then? Maybe the producers saw fit to credit them twice, so we should credit them twice as well if for no other reason than they appear in the credits twice.

-Agrare

The opening credits appear at the beginning of each episode, therefore, they are part of the credits for each episode.

All on-screen credits for each episode are to be included in DVDP.