Once again ascended brings us an ariticle with NO NAMED SOURCES. Not that any of us should be surprised. How are those Blu ray profile audits coming, btw?

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What overall saving is there in paying import prices for titles already in your area?  It doesn't take long for that EXTRA money to add up to $450 to $500 (speaking logically).

It has nothing to do with saving money, and everything to do with buying titles not released in North America.

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Surely you understand that HD DVD will not/can not remain region free indefinitely. It WILL change. ... Studios decide region coding.

You can't know that. No one can. And as I said, I based my decision on what is, not what might happen. Additionally, I don't much care what North American studios decide. The vast majority of movies I import are not produced by, nor released by, North American studios.

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For both of you...

Surely you understand that HD DVD will not/can not remain region free indefinitely. It WILL change.

You of course have some credible source to back up this statement right?  Or is it something you imagined...like the 2D to 3D conversion demonstration. 

  The 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players by Mitsubishi was made up...and the tech reporters decided to make up articles describing the same made up topic? 

Why do you keep saying this?  Not a single tech reporter has claimed that there was a 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players.  That is just your wishful thinking and inability to read and comprehend.  But here, I will help you out...again.

This is the first line of the second paragraph of this blog: "The demo was run from a massive Dell desktop and output onto a large DLP set."

See what it says there?  The demo was run on a PC, no Blu-ray player involved.  One would think that a demonstration for Blu-ray players would include an actual Blu-ray player.  Problem is, this wasn't a Blu-ray player demonstration...it was a demonstration of the capabilities of rear projection TVs.  But don't take my word for it, here is the rest of that paragraph, "In an effort to inject new life into the fading rear-projection category, the company's pitch was that the 3D technology worked with existing DLP TVs and projectors (due to DLP's native 120Hz refresh rate, which allows you to split it into 60/60 for 3D) but not with LCD and plasma displays."

Did you read that?  Notice it says nothing about Blu-ray players.

Now on to your 'made up topic' claim.  Here is the pertinent paragraph:

"Most of us were pretty impressed by the demo, which included clips from movies, commercials, and sporting events. There was real depth to the 3D and you got that whole feeling of things poking out at you from the screen. All the demo material had been shot in 3D, but the kicker to the whole presentation was that Mitsubishi apparently has a Blu-ray player in its labs that can convert existing 2D movies into 3D on the fly. Better yet, according to company reps, it may be available early next year."

Again, do you see what it said there?  ALL the demo material had been shot in 3D.  That means they didn't convert 2D images into 3D.  You claim to be big on 'facts', well the fact is there was no 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players.  There was, however, a 3D demonstration for rear projection DLP TVs.

Mitsubishi did claim to have a Blu-ray player in the lab that can do this,however, making a claim, is not quite the same as demonstrating that ability.

Those are the facts as reported by one of the 'tech reporters' that was there.  If you continue to claim there was a 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players, you will prove to everyone here that you are simply a Blu-ray fanboy who will spout any misinformation regardless of the facts.   

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HD DVD to incorporate region coding

Just because it hasn't happen yet doesn't mean it won't (especially when a group has already been formed for that purpose).  Studios like Disney and Fox voted it.

Is that the best you could do?  An article that is more than a year old?    Of course it could happen, anything can happen.  Just because something can happen, however, doesn't mean that it will...which is what you claimed. 

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Once again ascended brings us an ariticle with NO NAMED SOURCES. Not that any of us should be surprised. How are those Blu ray profile audits coming, btw?

The source was the DVD Forum.  They don't even count as a "named source"?  Wow!

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For both of you...

Surely you understand that HD DVD will not/can not remain region free indefinitely. It WILL change.

You of course have some credible source to back up this statement right?  Or is it something you imagined...like the 2D to 3D conversion demonstration. 

  The 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players by Mitsubishi was made up...and the tech reporters decided to make up articles describing the same made up topic? 

Why do you keep saying this?  Not a single tech reporter has claimed that there was a 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players.  That is just your wishful thinking and inability to read and comprehend.  But here, I will help you out...again.

This is the first line of the second paragraph of this blog: "The demo was run from a massive Dell desktop and output onto a large DLP set."

See what it says there?  The demo was run on a PC, no Blu-ray player involved.  One would think that a demonstration for Blu-ray players would include an actual Blu-ray player.  Problem is, this wasn't a Blu-ray player demonstration...it was a demonstration of the capabilities of rear projection TVs.  But don't take my word for it, here is the rest of that paragraph, "In an effort to inject new life into the fading rear-projection category, the company's pitch was that the 3D technology worked with existing DLP TVs and projectors (due to DLP's native 120Hz refresh rate, which allows you to split it into 60/60 for 3D) but not with LCD and plasma displays."

Did you read that?  Notice it says nothing about Blu-ray players.

Now on to your 'made up topic' claim.  Here is the pertinent paragraph:

"Most of us were pretty impressed by the demo, which included clips from movies, commercials, and sporting events. There was real depth to the 3D and you got that whole feeling of things poking out at you from the screen. All the demo material had been shot in 3D, but the kicker to the whole presentation was that Mitsubishi apparently has a Blu-ray player in its labs that can convert existing 2D movies into 3D on the fly. Better yet, according to company reps, it may be available early next year."

Again, do you see what it said there?  ALL the demo material had been shot in 3D.  That means they didn't convert 2D images into 3D.  You claim to be big on 'facts', well the fact is there was no 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players.  There was, however, a 3D demonstration for rear projection DLP TVs.

Mitsubishi did claim to have a Blu-ray player in the lab that can do this,however, making a claim, is not quite the same as demonstrating that ability.

Those are the facts as reported by one of the 'tech reporters' that was there.  If you continue to claim there was a 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players, you will prove to everyone here that you are simply a Blu-ray fanboy who will spout any misinformation regardless of the facts.   

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HD DVD to incorporate region coding

Just because it hasn't happen yet doesn't mean it won't (especially when a group has already been formed for that purpose).  Studios like Disney and Fox voted it.

Is that the best you could do?  An article that is more than a year old?    Of course it could happen, anything can happen.  Just because something can happen, however, doesn't mean that it will...which is what you claimed. 

What does the title of that article about Mitsubishi say?  It is for what type of player coming out next year?  That's what I thought.  Please stop the silly stuff.

Now, about the HD DVD region coding article...it IS over a year old.  The committee was formed at the time for the purpose of region coding.  What does a year and a half have to do with the committee not being true?  Nothing.  Let me get this straight.  Pro-HD DVD people can believe a larger disc size is coming for the format for 1 1/2 years, but won't believe a committee already set-up to do something will carry out it's purpose for being?  That's deep!  That's a very odd combination of beliefs.

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What does the title of that article about Mitsubishi say?  It is for what type of player coming out next year?  That's what I thought.  Please stop the silly stuff.

Nice try, but no.  You claimed that there was a "2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players by Mitsubishi."  Regardless of what the title of the article is, that did not happen.  Yes, they make a claim that they have one 'in the lab', but that is not what you claimed.  You were wrong and, instead of admitting it, you are trying to make it look like you said something else.  Talk about 'silly stuff'. 

This thread is amusing. Not very informative, # of posts to unbiased good info ratio, but entertaining nonetheless. A_S gets treated like the ugly girl at the dance and yes at times he does ask for it, but i will give him credit for trying. He is no doubt a Sony fan boy but with more understanding than the average fan boy. But there is no doubt that many HD-DVD fan boys are here too. I can understand because both sides are trying to support their choice of HD content delivery system.  The only true unbiased posts will come from neutral people who have not yet invested in either format.

I can sympathize, don’t' lynch me for this, with A_S because i think he is a fellow tech guy. He chose his content delivery system based on hardware and software stats. Then of course the studio support. I have to say that before release of either system I was for Blu-ray. I thought for sure Blu-ray would kill HD-DVD as long as the consumer had the facts about both systems. But sometimes stats don’t mean as much in the overall picture. For example, the article posted by Battling Butler from Audioholics has some good info and insight. I found many aspects that I agreed with and of course some that I don’t. Sometimes if you make a product too different people will be afraid because change is hard to accept for people.

One of A_S’s points that not many can really argue against is capacity. Larger is for the most part better. Even if you don’t need it, it’s nice to have it. Is it a format killer, I doubt it.  Even the HD-DVD fan boys would use capacity against Blu-ray if the roles were reversed. Side by side I would bet that none of the people in this forum could tell the difference between HD-DVD and Blu-ray if they were given a blind study.  I am not sure that having multiple discs is a problem that needed a solution.

As long as two formats exist there always will be the fight over which is better. If both formats had equal studio support then it would be a different story. The best marketed and priced format would prevail. Because at the end of the day consumers don’t care if one has java based programming that gives you more functionally or less discs because of a larger capacity. In fact if the same movie was released on Blu-ray and because of the larger disc capacity they could fit all content on single disc and HD-DVD had to release it on two discs the consumer would go for HD-DVD because it has more discs. So then it must be better. Two discs is better than one, right?

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This thread is amusing. Not very informative, # of posts to unbiased good info ratio, but entertaining nonetheless. A_S gets treated like the ugly girl at the dance and yes at times he does ask for it, but i will give him credit for trying. He is no doubt a Sony fan boy but with more understanding than the average fan boy. But there is no doubt that many HD-DVD fan boys are here too. I can understand because both sides are trying to support their choice of HD content delivery system.  The only true unbiased posts will come from neutral people who have not yet invested in either format.

I can sympathize, don’t' lynch me for this, with A_S because i think he is a fellow tech guy. He chose his content delivery system based on hardware and software stats. Then of course the studio support. I have to say that before release of either system I was for Blu-ray. I thought for sure Blu-ray would kill HD-DVD as long as the consumer had the facts about both systems. But sometimes stats don’t mean as much in the overall picture. For example, the article posted by Battling Butler from Audioholics has some good info and insight. I found many aspects that I agreed with and of course some that I don’t. Sometimes if you make a product too different people will be afraid because change is hard to accept for people.

One of A_S’s points that not many can really argue against is capacity. Larger is for the most part better. Even if you don’t need it, it’s nice to have it. Is it a format killer, I doubt it.  Even the HD-DVD fan boys would use capacity against Blu-ray if the roles were reversed. Side by side I would bet that none of the people in this forum could tell the difference between HD-DVD and Blu-ray if they were given a blind study.  I am not sure that having multiple discs is a problem that needed a solution.

As long as two formats exist there always will be the fight over which is better. If both formats had equal studio support then it would be a different story. The best marketed and priced format would prevail. Because at the end of the day consumers don’t care if one has java based programming that gives you more functionally or less discs because of a larger capacity. In fact if the same movie was released on Blu-ray and because of the larger disc capacity they could fit all content on single disc and HD-DVD had to release it on two discs the consumer would go for HD-DVD because it has more discs. So then it must be better. Two discs is better than one, right?

You have very good points and many of them.

I will always tell people I am biased towards Blu-ray.  The question very few on this thread seem to understand is the "why".  Without the "why", one has no power of understanding.  Why is he biased for Blu-ray?  Being biased is not a bad thing, if it's facts and not emotion that pushes one to be biased.  I was made biased BECAUSE of the FACTS.

I started out neutral going into my research period (to find out which is the best using scientific facts).  Larger disc capacity is not as much of a concern with HD DVD as the bandwidth (pipeline size) is.

The consumer doesn't really care about the science behind the technology until it bites them in the @ss.  Consumers will just say...why can't they just do it this way.  Well, it's because of the format you chose.  Of course, by that time it's too late.  Then we would be screwed with no way back.  That's why it's on the people that understand and have the foresight for this stuff to let others know about it.  We don't want consumers to make a dumb choice that screws everyone, because they just didn't know.  Some people would still doom all just so they can say they won.

If the HD DVD choice only screwed current HD DVD owners, I couldn't care less.  But, it would screw everyone that wants HD optical titles in the future.  So, I'm speaking up about it.