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I remember Ken addressing the apostrophe issue but I can not find his post.

Going through invelo's rules, Ken only uses Prime (straight) quotation marks, apostrophes etc. format. For example (under Original Title)  the rule says the data should be entered as "... Original Title: There's Something About Mary."

I believe most contributions/changes were entered using the Prime glyph and the screeners accepted that data as correct.

Is it? Who knows. And, I doubt Ken will chime in and make a definitive answer.
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The issue of partial contributions has been addressed before and is in the collected statements by Ken and Gerri.

I have no problems voting on contributions that contribute only a few changes. If the data is correct, it should be allowed.

The problem I have with this particular contributor is that their documentation is not adequate. But, if the data is correct, I would rather vote "yes" and have the database include correct data.

Gerri addressed this issue, I've included one of her quotes, and a link to where the forums discussed this issue:

Statements:
Quoting Gerri Cole:
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From an Invelos standpoint, there is nothing wrong with a partial contribution. Any accurate data is better than no data at all.

As someone said, it isn't a contest, so there is no need to worry about "inflating your numbers".


Quoting Gerri Cole:
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Link to original thread:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=369117&PageNum=1

Quoted posts from Gerri on page 12.


Here's one more, this one from Ken, that is relevant:

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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value.  They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate.  If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.

"No" votes are equally valid in this case, however.  They allow the contributor a chance to correct their submission if they choose, and save someone the effort of the correction later on.

I've sent out a notes reiterating this policy to the evaluators.


Link to original thread:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=345020&PageNum=1

Post from Ken on page 2.
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MikaLove:

At no point have my posts been "ranting", "unwarranted", "unfair" "does not at all reflect reality", "nasty stuff" or "threatening".

1 star? Good for you. And since that must mean something to you, I really don't care, I have had 4 stars for years.

Block me, please. I won't bother wasting another moment on you or your self-delusions.
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Quoting MikaLove:
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You say you have "relevant information". How is bringing an 8 years old post up about "Men in Black II" and what its title is relevant for a topic where we discuss make-up and how to credit it, if there are alternative credits?


It is irrelevant how old posts are - many of the rules are even older. What IS important are Ken's clarification on the contribution process. You must not have read his posts or you would realize exactly how relevant they are to this thread.

"Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent.  With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision.  Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for.  Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary."

Please note his comments are NOT limited to titles as you assert. His post specifically states "...for title and OTHER FIELDS (capitalization by me).

So, unless you are disputing that Make-up/Make-up Effects are not Crew, then Ken's post are completely relevant to this thread.

Quoting MikaLove:
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It's also very transparent what your agenda is for chosing that thread, especially reminding me I had posts removed in it for losing my temper.


"Agenda"? Give me a break. I am pointing out that the owner of this program has addressed these type of issues. This thread is not the only time I have brought Ken's comments to forum queries.

Quoting MikaLove:
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And how is me bringing a 13 years old topic back to life relevant here...?


Ken's rules and his clarification of said rules are completely relevant until they changed or updated - regardless of how old they are.

Quoting MikaLove:
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I simply wanted to "finish" it and continue in the footsteps of those passionate for the topic.


I suggest you need to take into consideration that in doing so, you need to take Ken's rules/clarifications and the dissenting majority voters.

Quoting MikaLove:
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I have no fricking idea what you mean by telling me "Contributions need to comply with the rules and Ken's posts that clarify those rules. Since your stance and contributions are NOT based on either of those, you need to keep those changes local."


I couldn't be more clear. If you "have no fricking idea..." what I, and others, are talking about I suggest you read the rules, Ken's clarifications and the posts of others who have tried to explain things to you.
Quoting MikaLove:
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Like, really. I have gotten a truckload of contributions approved lately and all of them were based on facts and have followed the rules.


Since this tread makes me question YOUR "agenda", I will carefully assess any/all of your contributions to be sure that they are in fact following Ken's rules/clarifications.

Quoting MikaLove:
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I know for a fact that I have forum members on my side regarding this topic and what I'm stating here.


Obviously. the votes show that. But, they are in the minority and (I am paraphrasing) Ken has stated the the majority rules. And, those who disagree can keep that data local.



The original post here was short:
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Simple question: does a "Body Make-up" credit qualify for a "Make-up Artist" entry, or for a "Make-up Effects" entry, or for no entry at all?


Quoting MikaLove:
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Two links were posted that described the professions quite clearly. Yet still we are debating this.
I have gone back numerous times to check sources and contribution rules but I can't for my life see how I could be wrong.


With few exceptions, outside links are irrelevant as far as contributions are concerned.

Quoting MikaLove:
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We are facing but one or two scenarios, as a reply to the OP:
Either we don't enter it into the DB (or if we do we keep it local) or it may get entered but as a Make-Up Effects credit.


I see you conveniently leave out the third scenario, Make-up Artist, the one the majority of voters agree is the correct data.
Quoting MikaLove:
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Because of the description of the professions and what you are allowed to do within respective profession. Combined with the rules here and how we treat credits.
We don't guess, we don't enter something that's not there.

If there are indeed other options I'm open to discussing them and looking closer at them, but so far nothing that supports an alternative (that doesn't break contribution rules) has been said.


Once again, read Ken's clarification, he is quite clear on what he wants and expects for HIS database. The problem is you want things entered that goes against his statements.

Quoting MikaLove:
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For the record, I didn't insult one single person here and I'm not taking it personal.


I suppose your comment to me "absolutely immature behavior" a compliment?

Quoting MikaLove:
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I'm not fighting any opponents either or consider them "not agreeing", but I see that the logic behind many statements are faulty and contradicting.


You are adding qualification to the Crew tables well as links that others posted showing Make-up Artist is correct. So, I see your posts as faulty and contradiction.

Quoting MikaLove:
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Anyway, this is getting quite ridiculous and takes so much of my mental energy.

I wish I didn't have to pull all the weight alone in this thread.


I believe that I have addressed this matter as well as I can. You have every right to disagree with me and any of my posts. As I have the right to disagree with you. Nothing personal.
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Quoting MikaLove:
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And finally, Kathy...
I can't believe your absolutely immature behavior to bring a topic up that is EIGHT YEARS OLD.
It feels like you were waiting for me to have a "heated discussion" here so you could jump in and call me out.
If anything was and is irrelevant, it's for you to bring that up.
The two topics has absolutely nothing in common.
Why don't you just ignore my posts if you can't stand me?

This isn't about me. I am only trying my hardest to make things clear and bring facts together.
Despite this, it's clear that more and more are considering the option to enter this as "Effects".
But again, the poll isn't facts and I wish this thread wasn't made as a poll.
It's at the very least clear that we aren't united. And so, a "majority vote" can't decide this.
If so, then keep "body make-up" local, because the credit doesn't exist here.

You call me out for bringing up Ken's post that is "EIGHT YEARS OLD", yet you brought up one that was THIRTEEN YEARS OLD: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=37141&PageNum=4.

If I feel I can bring relevant information to a topic, I will add  that information to the forums.

You really think I can't stand you - that is hysterical - I don't know you.

You can always block me if you don't like to hear what I have to say. But, if I want to comment on a post,  will do so whether or not you like it.

From what I can see, you are taking this quite personal - resorting to insults "immature behavior") when confronted with a point of view that differs from you.

Contributions need to comply with the rules and Ken's posts that clarify those rules. Since your stance and contributions are NOT based on either of those, you need to keep those changes local.
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Quoting MikaLove:
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Quoting scotthm:
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Quoting MikaLove:
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The conclusion is that this credit should not be entered into the database, unless it is (indeed!) Make-Up Effects.

Should Make-Up Effects work be entered into the database as "Make-Up Artist"?

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You know, this is actually exactly the point. Which I'm not trying to make, but those in opposition are.
Because when a "body make-up" credit does belong in the DB, it's only if it's given the credit "Make-Up Effects".

And Kathy, that doesn't help the least bit and you're even making things worse and derailing this even more. That makes me really annoyed, as I'm working really hard here and I'm super serious about this issue.

First of all, Ken is a ghost and isn't around anymore, because he jumped ship.
Secondly, I don't think even he would have opposed official sources of information and disregard it as "one-off ruling" or whatever.

We already have the official information we need to come to a conclusion. Information that I consider absolutely authoritative on this matter.
I have consistently pointed to sheer facts, not opinions.

I can honestly not understand the resistance. It's like a rebellion.

PS. The poll isn't facts!


You were on the wrong side of the issue then (Men in Black discussion), and got so nasty that Ken had to delete your comments. He then addressed the issue which I quoted above. It seems to me that, as in that thread, you keep reiterating your stance while getting more and more upset.

Your opinion on this matter is clear. It is also clear that the majority do NOT agree with you. So, I suggest you not waste you time submitting this data and follow Ken's advice: "...databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent."
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Ken has weighed in on these types of debates: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=667247&messageID=2082773

Per his comments, and the votes, the correct entry is "Make-up Artist".
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I bought a new computer and downloaded the program.

When I tried to add my collection (from my online collection), I am not able to do so. I get a message that there is a newer program is available and I need to change to that program. The problem is that there is not a newer version available.
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I brought this up 10 years ago with the majority of the community voting that this data should not be included: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=568614.

But, Ken weighed in and stated this data should be included: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438798&PageNum=9.
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I have a large collection also but, unlike you, I haven't had any problems. It seems likely that the problem might be on your end.
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Quoting mediadogg:
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Quoting Kathy:
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Hey Kathy, glad to see you monitoring this thread. Any thoughts?


None. I have no idea what any of this is about. 

I just posted the period because the data took up so much of my screen.
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Sam was known here as samuelrichardscott.

It is heartbreaking to lose a friend so young.
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I have a support ticket in queue for over 2 years. I'm afraid that support is non existent.

Edit: Have you tried a database repair to fix your problems?
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