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Just bought Groundhog Day, so up to a massive 18 now!

As a penniless Brit who's still waiting for the social benefits of North Sea oil and gas to come my way, I find UHD discs really a bit out of my price range, (despite the weird fact that I've two Samsung UHD players).  To prevent me from feeling a failure, I've decided only to buy/upgrade to UHD for films etc which I personally score at least 9/10.  And I only do this once I've watched them / them again, to keep the number I want manageable.  I also upgrade DVDs to BD (or digital HD) using the same criteria too, if available, if there's no UHD version.  (And of course I then do make exceptions to this rule.)

I guess I was wondering how others make the decision to buy/upgrade to UHD if you have anything (money, space, etc) that limits how many you can buy.
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Well, MonoCheck may sometimes be helpful, but it is far from perfect. It displays the difference in level between the two tracks. In theory that should be zero for mono tracks. But theory and practice are two different things. If it does stay at or near zero, that's a good indicator that it is indeed mono. If it doesn't - you just don't know.

You could check IMDb and see if the original sound was mono. If it was, and there is no mention of any remastering of the soundtrack, then that's also a good indicator that it's mono.

But if you're looking for a foolproof way to determine mono, then I think you're out of luck.


You truly are a person of wonder!  Thank you so much.  I'll enjoy trying your programme out.
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Hello.  I recently had a contribution turned down (it had no votes for or against).  I think it's probably because I was a bit flippant  with respect to what I put to justify the change I'd included from stereo to mono. ("Well it sounded mono to me".)  Normally I've put a bit more about listening to the film, its music, foreground and background noise, etc with headphones on which seems to have been sufficient proof in the past.  But I was tired... wanted to go to bed...

However, it got me thinking, how do you easily demonstrate that a film is mono?  I often see films with their audio marked incorrectly as Stereo, presumable because of the way the sound has been coded onto the disk so it gets labelled by PowerDVD, AV amps etc as stereo, so it is quite a noticeable problem within the online database.  There must be a way that's more scientific than just listening to it carefully.

Thanks.
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Just to add more to this discussion. Some discs main features are very short. Many good examples can be found with music ones; I've a few that are under 5 minutes long. It would seem possibly a bit inconsistent to allow these 'main' features and not allow much longer 'bonus' ones.

Wow, trying to type on a tablet with an overactive auto-correct on a train is hard!
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I think this would be a really nice resource to have.  I too have a lot of music DVDs etc which rarely seem to have very complete credits.  More generally, I always document any music used in films etc in my local database; (song titles using dividers as you have, plus writers and performers.)  I put these in the Crew / Music section.  I only add them to the Cast section if they’re credited onscreen, although I think you’re suggesting a more ‘complete’ record that goes beyond what's written onscreen.  However, I suspect there’re very few people who would wish to contribute to such a resource (given the level of research required), so like many good ideas it would probably not really go anywhere.  Certainly it wouldn’t ‘fit’ into the existing online database without some significant changes to the Rules.

More generally, I’m already of the opinion that DVD Profiler (like many things in life) has become too complicated for most new users to bother to learn to use properly; at least as far as contributing to the online database is concerned.  Less and less people seem to make contributions these days and those that do are mostly very experienced and have ‘grown up’ with the database as its use has been developed and the “what do we do in this case” issues discussed.  Sadly there’re now so many unofficial conventions, undocumented ‘rules’ and accepted (or often not accepted) ways of doing things that it’s become a nightmare to learn how to use properly.  The official Rules are simply inadequate nowadays, as there’re too many circumstances they don’t cover, resulting from a combination of new options being added to the database and the nature of films and their presentation etc changing.  I still make contributions but far fewer than I used to, as so often something I want to contribute seems potentially contentious or not clear.  Even the process of adding the additional music credits to my local database means if I have a contribution rejected, I don’t bother to resubmit it with changes, as this involves stripping out the dividers (which I add after making the contribution and that I don’t think can be hidden from contributions unlike non-standard credits), which I basically don’t have the time or inclination to do.

I guess I'd prefer to see a simple online database covering the basic, 'black and white' factual information, that we can then download and add to locally as we wish to, using our own personal 'rules'. The database in a mechanical sense seems very good, but too many things are now open to personal interpretation, which effectively makes the information it contains more unreliable in a factual sense.

So I guess I’m saying love the idea, but just can’t see it going anywhere.  I’d love to be proven wrong though!

Sorry, think I went off the subject a bit there.
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I understand your confusion, "more than one movie" taken literally, is equivalent to saying "two or more movies".

But that's not exactly what the box set rule-writers intended, rather it was "two or more DIFFERENT movies".

I can't help but feel there was an implicit assumption by the rule-writers that the phrase "more than one movie", meaning different movies, would be understood by readers, even years after it was written. 

Unfortunately, this has not been the case and it is not surprising to find many people, including myself, initially thrown by the ambiguous phrase.

Just remember "more than one movie" in the box set rules really means two or more different movies, and you can't go wrong.

What do we really mean by what is a movie?  Each movie has its own unique original camera negative. If two versions share the same original camera negative then they are the same movie. 

Colorized and B&W versions of a single movie are NOT considered different movies (they share the same original camera negative), its actually, from DVD Profiler's point of view, the same movie with different color formats.

Take the advice of the above experienced users, it will save you a lot of work and you will lose fewer spines :-).

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By the way, the definition of a short feature can be found in the current 91st Academy Awards eligibility rules:
https://www.oscars.org/oscars/rules-eligibility

Click "Complete Rules" and navigate to Rule Nineteen (Short Film Awards) and you will find the definition, namely:

"A short film is defined as an original motion picture that has a running time of 40 minutes or less, including all credits."

Also note Rule 2, which defines a feature length movie as over 40 minutes.


Wow, that's such an awesome answer! Thank you so much for taking the time to write it. 
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Finally managed to get some decent covers and labels made.  (The cover for episodes 4-6 seems to have the title writing lower down for some reason.  And please ignore my camera's attempt to add a JJ Abrams style lens flare to this one as well.)

Voilà!

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Yes, that was my thoughts about it too.  I couldn't understand why they'd been compressed and split up.  It all seemed very over-complicated.

I used Unpacker to extract and combine each group of files to make a single file and then Windows 10's built in app to extract and copy each to a disc.  But have done all four discs now.

The cover art files are a total pain.  They look beautiful but they're not the right size.  Even if you trim the black borders off them first, they still aren't the right size to fit into a standard BD case.  Not realising I printed them all out on nice, expensive paper first. So I've now got to trim the digital images first and then resize them all to fit.  Expect a rise in the price of Brother shares soon, to mirror the sudden increase in its ink cartridge sales!

And don't get me started on the disc labels..

I'm surprised they were able to produce and distribute these episodes (especially in HD) in the first place though, considering all the fuss there's been over Axanar, Horizon, Gods of Men and many other fan-made Star Trek films.  CBS seem to either want to ban them entirely, or restrict the length and quality greatly.  I love how so many talented people are willing to put so much time, passion and effort into making them though.
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Are yes but... the Rule doesn't say anything about the movies having to be different.

If it's the same movie then it's not "movies", it's the same "one movie".

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Perhaps. I guess it depends on how you define "movie". Fortunately, until I come across a colourised one with additional, included credits to cover the process, I'll hopefully not have to worry too much about coming down with a bout of IRFS (Invelos Rule Frustration Syndrome) and start to pull out my spines!  Thanks for your thoughts. 
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Hello.

Thanks for your thoughts and opinions.  I'm inclined to agree, but I know some people feel the Rules should to be followed very thoroughly.

That would be following the rules exactly, as they say (per your OP), “Discs with more than one movie on a single side should be entered as one profile per movie."

Colorization does not make a movie a different movie.

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Are yes but... the Rule doesn't say anything about the movies having to be different. Also, we frequently profile identical movies separately; (BD and DVD copies in the same case, for example).
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Hello.

Thanks for your thoughts and opinions.  I'm inclined to agree, but I know some people feel the Rules should to be followed very thoroughly.
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Have just 'made' my first BD disc ever, by downloading the ISO files and working out how to turn them into something I can watch. It takes quite a while to burn the files onto the disc, so have only done the first one so far, but it plays perfectly via my stand alone player and TV.  Doing this has given me way, way too much happiness!          I'm just in the process of watching Star Trek TOS on BD for the first time, so will enjoy watching these straight after.

Only downside was that I had to use a 50GB BD disc, as it wouldn't fit onto a 25Gb one.
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When a film has been colourised it often gets included on the same disc as the original black and white version.  When this is done, should we follow the new Box Set Rule...

“Discs with more than one movie on a single side should be entered as one profile per movie. Use a disc ID profile, and as many disc ID alternate profiles as required.”

…and now provide a separate profile for both versions?

Anyone given this any thought?

I've been watching several Laurel & Hardy shorts recently and many of these discs have perhaps six on one side of a single disc; and some include both B&W and colourised versions of the same film, which got me to thinking about this.

(I also lose sleep wondering when does a short become a movie and quality for it's own profile anyway, as opposed to them all being included in the primary profile like TV episodes or short cartoons, but that's a different issue.)
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Yes, I've started to have this problem too, I guess since about the start of the year.

I just ignore it and don't add the title, as anything I will be looking at on my computer I'll already of added to my local Profiler database.  I've never bothered to investigate it further as it's a minor annoyance.  I use PowerDVD 18.
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Thank you for posting the link.

I've watched quite a few of these previously and it's remarkable just how well they've done in terms of making them look and feel like the Original Series.
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Good day people.

I'm having a bit of a 'senior moment' this morning, so require wisdom to be bestowed upon me.

2-disc sets, (such as BD / DVD and BD / 4K BD), where two discs containing copies of the same film are contained in a simple keep case.

When compiling a profile to submit to the online database, do we also include all the information for the second disc within this profile where possible; (i.e. extra subtitles, features, etc).  (So the result is no way to automatically determine which features relate to which disc.)  Does this change if there is or isn't a child profile for the second disc?

I was doing an update for a BD / 4K BD pack just now and it suddenly felt weird to be adding so many things to the existing profile to cater for the BD disc, which aren't included in the profile at present.  (For information, it's Passengers).

I'm not a fan of child profiles, but can understand why many people appreciate their value and prefer the information that's unique to each individual disc not be combined into one profile.

Oddly, I can't remember ever actually doing a profile like this before, except for TV Box Sets, which are a different thing.  For a lot of 4K discs, many supplemental features and additional audio and subtitles options seem to only on the BD disc, so I think it's going to be a bigger issue in future.

Thanks.
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Quoting CubbyUps:
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Sort Title, Media Type, DVD Title, Edition, Regions, Video Formats, Features, All Crew, Discs, All Cover Scans

I personally use custom roles for most of the crew. When you contribute a role for lets say "Sound Re-Recording Mixer" and you use "Re-Recording Mixer" which is what's listed then contribute a qualified change within the Crew section the contribution only contributes the original "Sound Re-Recording Mixer" which is fine. Then someone else makes an update and you accept this update all the custom role crew members get duplicated along with keeping the custom role entry so you end up with 2 of the same person listed, 1 with "Sound Re-Recording Mixer" and 1 with "Sound Re-Recording Mixer" and a custom role of "Re-Recording Mixer". This happens for all the entries with custom roles. One royal pain the a$$. If I want one of the updates, I have to write it down and enter it after the regular updates. I hope I made this understandable.


Exactly, I have no idea why the program can't be fixed so that it ignores the local custom credits in the crew section.
I mean, Ken added it so that we can more closely enter what is really on screen, yet the program treats it as if it's not a legit entry and ignores it anyway and forces one to accept an update only to go back and remove the duplicates.
It's a major pain.


Oh yes, downloads too, I forgot to include them, although I only have three at the moment.
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I keep a record of all the music/songs, including writers and performers, which is of particular interest to me.

I also keep a record of other sorts of Directors and Producers, ‘important’ Animators and CG Effects people, Stunt Coordinators, Chorographers; plus ‘Unit’ crews, such as “Second Unit” and location-specific units.

Additionally I change the layout of Overviews and occasionally the titles, to make them more consistent from disc to disc; same with Crew Credits, which I always put in the same order regardless of how they appear on screen.  Additionally, if the case is an unusual colour (not blue (BD), black or clear) or an odd design (like 'eco' cases or narrow spines), I keep a record of that too.

Finally, I use Tags for the following: 

Aliens Featured
Apocalyptic Theme
Audio Book
Black Comedy; (although I’m thinking of getting rid of this one as it’s too hard to define; I can’t even agree on an interpretation of my own Rules!)
Cats Featured
Chainsaw Featured
Decapitation
Depressing
Dystopian Theme
Fantasy Creatures
Foreign Language film; (i.e. not in English)
Franchise; (i.e. at least three films)
Funny Film; (makes me laugh out loud at some point)
Game
Gay Theme
Mental Health Theme
Mind F***
Music Theme
Nudity Featured; (i.e. topless (ladies) or full frontal (male/female))
Punk Theme
Rebel Theme
RomCom
Sad Film (i.e. makes me cry)
Slasher Film
Superhero Theme
Teen Theme
Vegan Reference

I was wondering if anyone includes anything other than DVDs and BDs in their local databases?  I’ve started to add VHS tapes (mostly music videos that are unlikely to ever get released on disc), audiobooks (both plays and narrations) and computer games.  I don’t have a huge number, but I thought it would be an interesting way for me to track franchise materials across different formats and actors that also ‘appear’ in these other things, as well as visual effects crew that move between films and games. 

I can now see why I never have any time to actually watch anything...
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Thanks for explaining this.  It's exactly what I'd have wanted to do if I knew I could.  Now I know I can and how.  It means all my custom roles remain intact, which downloading my online databases to my tablet loses. 
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After a bit of haggling and begging, managed to get it down to £46 a month and kept the landline too.
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Will have to get up at 04:00 to see what I get then.

Am I being a bit cynical in pointing out it took Virgin Media less than 15 minutes to upgrade my broadband this evening (from my making the phone call at 22:00 to the upgrade happening); yet it will take it a month to disconnect my landline... and I have to ring back tomorrow to arrange that too.

Cost for broadband only is £50 a month (on a 12 month contract).
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Up to 17 now, thanks to the arrival of the first Doctor Who on 4K.  (That's the first Doctor Who episode on 4K, not the First Doctor himself.)
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I'm sorry everyone, but today, for the first time, I purchased two films as digital downloads. They weren't available on DVD or BD, but somehow I still feel I've let you down, myself down and have committed some terrible, moral crime. 

If anyone can find it in their heart to forgive me and on the off chance I don't get banned from here, I would appreciate it.  The scary thing is, I think it will probably happen again... 

NB I was so confused that I went and ordered a DVD of a movie that I'd previously ordered just five minutes earlier from a different site.
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Thanks guys.  Had a feeling it wasn't going to be easy to sort out.  Guess I'll have to re-enter all those On-set Caterers, First Aiders and 2nd 4th Assistant Part-time Trainee Directors I'm so keen on tracking.  Now I'm just going to have to watch the films all over again.  Honestly, what a chore.  That Ken guy is so much trouble! 

Are you kidding? Or do people actually track that sort of thing????    I continue to be amazed by the amount of detail real die-hard movie-DVD collectors care about. Maybe you are in the industry? Anyway, to me, it is simply amazing ...


Don't panic, I was joking, more or less.  I'm mostly interested in tracking the music used in films, although I do record the 'lesser' director and producer credits too, plus 'other' unit ones and some extra visual effects roles.  The latter often have their own directors, producers, DoPs, Editors etc that I think it's interesting to keep a record of them too.

More generally I have asked myself many times why I do this, but I've yet to come up with a convincing answer.  I think it's just human nature, or at least mine anyway.  I'm not in the industry at all.

Gave away about 2,000 DVD and Blu-ray cases today to someone, as I'd literally run out of space at home to store anymore movies in their own boxes on shelves, so all the ones that didn't have interesting cases, slip covers, were part of box sets, or contain more than one disc, got rehoused into three 'flight cases' that fit under a futon in the lounge.  (Also excluded all the Marvel and DC related ones, my little collection of 4K ones and all TV, which all remain on shelves for the time being.)  I'd forgotten how wide my lounge really was!
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Thanks guys.  Had a feeling it wasn't going to be easy to sort out.  Guess I'll have to re-enter all those On-set Caterers, First Aiders and 2nd 4th Assistant Part-time Trainee Directors I'm so keen on tracking.  Now I'm just going to have to watch the films all over again.  Honestly, what a chore.  That Ken guy is so much trouble! 
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