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I have been away for a while because the arguments here have become a bit much...but to answer the question, the ONLY time we create a child profile for bonus material is if it is a Bonus Feature Film:
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The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it."

Note the bolded part.  If the second and third disc contain anything listed in the chart on the page this rule is on, per the first line on the page, we are to "Use the Features check boxes..."

That being said, the purpose of the Original Title field is to allow "for the tracking of the original feature title."  The original feature title is NOT 'Hellboy: Disc 1', it's 'Hellboy'.  So if you allow the child profile, you must allow the original title.

Seems fairly straightforward to me.  But what do I know. 
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Quoting GSyren:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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The rules make a distinction between 'shorts' and 'episodes', not once, but twice.

I only see two mentions of shorts in the rules, and in both cases they tell us to treat them the same as episodes. So can you please elaborate on how they should be treated differently?

I posted both rules that mention shorts and I don't see anything in those rules saying to treat them the same as episodes.  They are listed with episodes, but that's not the same thing.  I have also read the TV Series rules and I can't find a single place where it says that they also apply to shorts.

That being said, I have already explained how they should be treated differently...it was the second to last sentence in my previous post.
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Quoting T!M:
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So first you want to treat them as episodes, and at the same time, you don't want to treat them as episodes? Let's just be consistent.

I don't want to treat them as episodes, I want to treat them as shorts.
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And then you say you want to apply "the standard rules" - so what do you think those are, then? Wait, I'll show you:

Actually, let me show you.  The rules mention shorts in exactly two sections:

First, in the Overview section: If the Main Feature of the disc is a collection of some kind (e.g. shorts, TV episodes, multiple films, etc.) rather than one single feature, a simple list of the collection contents may be added to the standard overview. Example:
1. Title
2. Title
3. Title

And second, in the Alternate Versions section: Alternate versions are not used for contributing profiles for shorts or episode-level profiles for TV series.

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So if you want to use the standard rules, these are the two standard rules to choose from. The third standard rule you're apparently thinking of, really doesn't exist. If you think it does, please point out where it is.

See above.
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No, either we consider these individual films, or we consider this a collection of episodes, and for either scenario, there is indeed a standard rule on how to deal with that. There's is no third standard rule for a collection of shorts, no special exception. It's either one or the other.

Sorry, but it isn't one or the other as there is a third, and correct, option available...consider it a collection of shorts.  The rules make a distinction between 'shorts' and 'episodes', not once, but twice.  Since they do, we should as well.

Based on those two rules, again, the only rules that mention shorts, we create a single profile for the disc containing the collection of shorts and list each title in the overview.

Now, if you want to treat them as TV episodes, feel free but let's not pretend it's what the rules tell us to do, because it isn't.
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Yes, some of us do, per the rules.

I have done it because that is how the rules are written.
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Quoting T!M:
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Yes, I'd also list them as episodes. And since we qualify them as episodes, the disc-level profiles are optional, and therefore the cast/crew for *all* shorts/episodes also should be listed in the parent profile.

I am going to disagree on this.  These are theatrical shorts, not TV episodes.  Since they are not TV episodes, the TV Series rules do not apply and the standard rules should be used.
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CubbyUps is correct.  'Shorts' refers to theatrical shorts.
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Quoting CubbyUps:
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Disc ID method seems like the only method.

Now if these are feature length films than alt. version methods can be used for each film contained on each disc. If these are shorts than just one disc id and profile each short film as if they are tv episodes.

Beat me to it.  This does seem to be the only option.
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Quoting GSyren:
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Well, there is no mention of any version on the front cover, so I don't see how that would indicate which version that is the main feature. Both versions have the same title in the opening credits.

The original version is listed first in the main menu. I might accept that as indication that it is the main feature. But the rules only mention running time, so if the musical version had been longer I would have been ambivalent.

The rules only mention running time when referring to "branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc.  Since you said these aren't different cuts, for me, that rule does not apply.

The rules say that a Bonus Feature Film is any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release.  Nothing is said about run time.

If you go by run time, then it is an alternate version and it is listed in the other features section.  If it is a Bonus Feature Film, it gets its own profile.

I'm not asking you to accept anything as I honestly don't care how you choose to profile it.
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Just to make sure we are on the same page I am talking about:
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Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release.

Based on your description, and what I was able to find online, this appears to fit that description.  There is no mention of the musical version on the front cover so, for me, the nonmusical version is the main feature.  Whenever possible, I prefer to profile 'as packaged and sold'.

Cubby's suggestion is equally valid, this is just what I would do.
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I would enter it as a Bonus Feature Film.
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Quoting hifrmny:
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Have you stopped taking member contributions for movies that are not in the online database?

If these truly are movies that are not in the online database, nobody can vote on them.  Updates are the only profiles that will receive yes or no votes.  New contributions are only seen by invelos.
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