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It appears that even one dissenting vote, regardless of its merit, is enough to block a contribution.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorcronosmantas
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Registered: June 2, 2008
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Well, despite carefully following the rules regarding common names for a crew member, my contributions for Alien from the Abyss (UPC 760137-125730), Seven Deaths in the Cat’s Eye (UPC 827058-106696), Naked You Die (UPC 030306-813097), and Castle of Blood (UPC 654930-302095) were all declined due to a single “no” vote from a user named Kvack on each one.

What’s especially frustrating is that several respected contributors, like Huskersports and GSyren, voted “yes” and provided clear, well-reasoned explanations supporting the changes. In the case of Castle of Blood, the vote was even 4–1 in favor—yet it was still declined. As I suspected, it appears that even one dissenting vote, regardless of its merit, is enough to block a contribution.

This really highlights a major flaw in the Invelos voting system. It doesn’t seem like the final reviewer is evaluating the quality of the arguments or the accuracy of the submission—just the presence of a “no” vote. You can follow the rules perfectly, and still be overruled by a single incorrect vote.

To make matters worse, all of my common name submissions that Kvack did not vote on were approved, which only adds inconsistency and further confusion to the Invelos database.

Because of this, I’ve decided to step away from contributing to the Invelos system. It’s disappointing, especially since there are already so few active contributors. But I’m not willing to continue putting in this level of effort—for free—only to have it dismissed due to one person’s opinion overriding the rules. Kvack could have simply applied his preference locally on his app if he disagreed, but instead chose to impact the broader database.

That said, I do want to thank the many thoughtful and dedicated users who continue to contribute constructively and uphold the guidelines. Your efforts are appreciated.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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It doesn’t seem like the final reviewer is evaluating the quality of the arguments or the accuracy of the submission—just the presence of a “no” vote. You can follow the rules perfectly, and still be overruled by a single incorrect vote.

Years of inexplicable and inconsistent approvals and declines have cemented my feeling that reviewing of contributions is a largely automated process nowadays. If, and that's a big if, there are still actual humans involved occassionally, then it's certainly only at the "second level", which is what any contribution drawing one or more no-votes is promoted to. There's no doubt in my mind that "first level" reviewing has been a fully automated process for many years now, but there's a slight chance that, once in a while, an actual human still takes a quick glance at those more controversial second-level pending contributions. If that is the case, it doesn't seem like that person(s) have ever read the contribution rules, though.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributormreeder50
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Registered: March 29, 2007
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Try contributing them again as is.
Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorcronosmantas
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Try contributing them again as is.


I wish, but he'll vote no again and it will be declined. Not worth my time anymore :-(
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
Registered: March 18, 2007
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Try contributing them again as is.


Not worth it based on some of the voters.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Because of this, I’ve decided to step away from contributing to the Invelos system. It’s disappointing, especially since there are already so few active contributors. But I’m not willing to continue putting in this level of effort—for free—only to have it dismissed due to one person’s opinion overriding the rules.

I understand your frustration. It is disappointing that the screening is not done better. However, I would ask you to reconsider stepping away. I presume that you would make these changes for your own collection anyway, so contributing them wouldn't be that much more work. If they get declined, just shrug it off and continue as before. It will only be a very small percentage of your contributions that will be incorrectly declined. We need every contributor. Your work is highly appreciated by the rest of us, even if Invelos doesn't always show it. Please don't give up!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMrVideo
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Registered: July 22, 2007
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I've pretty much given up on contributing anything to do with cast/crew. Other postings point out my frustration on using an approved contribution regarding casting, only to have it rejected because the referenced item should not have been approved in the first place, according to some.

I'm sticking to technical issues like audio, region coding, subtitles, etc.
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