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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorGadgeteer
Registered: March 13, 2007
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What's the latest position regarding common name contributions?

Should we be waiting for a response from Ken about the actor database or are we working on the basis of the various polls on the subject and common sense.

There are a lot of submissions utilising the common name as interpreted by the individual which will result in a fragmented database without some sort of ruling or central database for determining the common names.

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One person may have 3 DVDs with a credit John/S/Smith and 1 with John//Smith so changes the common name to John/S/Smith, wheras another has 3 with John//Smith and 1 with John/S/Smith so picks the alternative.

I think we could do with an update from Ken as to how we should progress.
Stuart
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I probably will get shot for saying this, but I am using the Name Variants Plugin and the IMDb as a guide to change my local and update the online database.
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In my opinion we should wait to hear from Ken at this point... as he has mentioned working something out for this.
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The ones I have contributed, I have been researching on what their commonly credited name is because we use the as credited for enterning names in the database.  If they have been credited 10 times one way and only once or twice another way then I've been using the most common, for those rare times they have been credited differently.

One thing I have noticed is some members have been using the IMDB common name, which has nothing to do with the name they are most commonly credited with.
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I am doing very few, Stuart. We donb't have a standard formula for how to determine precisely what is a Common Name, Without a standard we will have users ping-ponging them because THEIR opinion is different from the one that might be there. It has been suggested by a number users like that wwe proceed with caution until we create a standard or Ken does. I agree with this position and would recommend that  most such listings be kept local for the time being. Sadly, we have a lot of users who are acting like its the California Gold Rush.

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We just seem to be going round in circles at the moment with no real sense of direction.

We need come up with standards ASAP, either from Ken or from user consensus (ie the polls etc).

Hopefully Ken can respond and let us know how things stand and whether he wants us to come up with the standards ourselves or if he wants to provide them.

It's becoming obvious that there isn't a 1 size fits all rule that we are going to be able to apply. However, a standard starting point for the vast majority of names should be possible and then have an exception list that could be posted in the forum for all to refer to.
Stuart
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Personally, I think the answer has to be a combination of the most frequently occuring instance of the name in the DVDP database and some formatting Rules to include:

suffixes - use commas and periods, e.g., 'Lon Chaney, Jr.'
Use accents of the native language, e.g., 'François Truffaut'
Drop "nicknames" in the format 'John "nickname" Doe

I'm sure we could come up with others.
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Personally, I think the answer has to be a combination of the most frequently occuring instance of the name in the DVDP database and some formatting Rules to include:

suffixes - use commas and periods, e.g., 'Lon Chaney, Jr.'
Use accents of the native language, e.g., 'François Truffaut'
Drop "nicknames" in the format 'John "nickname" Doe

I'm sure we could come up with others.

Sounds reasonable!
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The only time I try to change them is if I have multiple movies and they are not linking.  When I did contribution of The Host I knew several of the actors were in other movies I owned.  I took down how they were creditted in The Host and how they were creditted in the other movies.  I then used the most common way they were creditted and used "as credited" if it was different then the credits for The Host.  For me this issue comes up in the many asian titles I own and find the broken links when I watch a movie, believe I saw the person in another movie I own, DVDP shows no link, but find they were in the movie when I research online.  THen I am compelled to fix the linking because I like my links.
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Personally, I think the answer has to be a combination of the most frequently occuring instance of the name in the DVDP database and some formatting Rules to include:

suffixes - use commas and periods, e.g., 'Lon Chaney, Jr.'
Use accents of the native language, e.g., 'François Truffaut'
Drop "nicknames" in the format 'John "nickname" Doe

I'm sure we could come up with others.


Agreed!
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Quoting hal9g:
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Personally, I think the answer has to be a combination of the most frequently occuring instance of the name in the DVDP database and some formatting Rules to include:

suffixes - use commas and periods, e.g., 'Lon Chaney, Jr.'
Use accents of the native language, e.g., 'François Truffaut'
Drop "nicknames" in the format 'John "nickname" Doe

I'm sure we could come up with others.

I also agree.

Another "easy fix" I noticed today is, to always use a dot after initials. Just applying those changes will already reinstate a whole bunch of links.

Then we can go to the next steps...
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I also agree.

Another "easy fix" I noticed today is, to always use a dot after initials. Just applying those changes will already reinstate a whole bunch of links.

Then we can go to the next steps...


Great point Achim, I've been noticing a lot of these variations on the initials since working with Goodguys plug-in
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Quoting ya_shin:
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Quoting hal9g:
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Personally, I think the answer has to be a combination of the most frequently occuring instance of the name in the DVDP database and some formatting Rules to include:

suffixes - use commas and periods, e.g., 'Lon Chaney, Jr.'
Use accents of the native language, e.g., 'François Truffaut'
Drop "nicknames" in the format 'John "nickname" Doe

I'm sure we could come up with others.

I also agree.

Another "easy fix" I noticed today is, to always use a dot after initials. Just applying those changes will already reinstate a whole bunch of links.

Then we can go to the next steps...


Agree with all of the above.

To add to the list:
Names with roman numerals should have no comma as that seems to be the norm:
ie Joseph Nemec III
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That is generally true, Stuart.

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Billy Video
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To add to the list:
Names with roman numerals should have no comma as that seems to be the norm:
ie Joseph Nemec III

Agreed as well. (I had about five or six where a minority had the comma. I changed the common name to the one without comma and then used Credited As for the other ones.)

So, we now have five items that could be settled easily, as they only refer to a variation of one and the same written name:
suffixes - use commas and periods, e.g., 'Lon Chaney, Jr.'
Use accents of the native language, e.g., 'François Truffaut'
Drop "nicknames" in the format 'John "nickname" Doe
Always use dot after initials
Names with roman numerals should have no comma

How should we proceed? Make five separate votes...? Wait for a few more opinions here first?

I think the dropping of nicknames thing and also the accents are a more problematic issue (non-natives might not always be aware if there should be accents or not...)
Achim [Ya-Shin//Nuo]
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I think the dropping of nicknames thing and also the accents are a more problematic issue (non-natives might not always be aware if there should be accents or not...)


I have already noticed issues with this espically when the nick name is the most commonly credited name (common name).  Take Buzz Knudson for example he is almost always credited as Buzz Knudson.
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