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Arthur C Clarke and 2001
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantGraveworm
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Hi,
Just voted no to a submission to remove Mr Clarke from 2001: A Space Odyssey: Stanley Kubrick Collection for "original material by" as he is uncredited.
I know it's a bit of an odd one in that although it was developed from his earlier short story the Sentinel. The Book and the screenplay 2001 were written at the same time with the novel in fact being released after the film.

So the reason for my vote is because I think you can have a written by credit OR an original material credit but you couldn't have just a screenwriter credit without any original material. For those who like sources a quick google got but there will be loads:
http://www.talkingpix.co.uk/Two%20Views%20of%202001.html

I know the way to go is to vote but the reason field is too small for all the history. Also this is a pretty important film and this is just the region 2 Stanley Kubrick Collection release hence the poll to try and get a perspective across the regions?
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Graveworm:

Withoupulling my copy which is boxed up what is the OnScreen Credit for the film, it's been a long time. The Rules say not to include (uncredited) crew members. So if Arthur C. Clarke is not credited with Original Story or what ever we can't use hime, it's very simple. You voitre according to the Rules and what the data actually says for the film not what you THINK it should be or WANT it to be.

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It seems a reasonable basis for inclusion, but unfortunately the rules are all too clear in that uncredited crew members should not be submitted to the online DB.
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Like the others, if he isn't credited in the film credits he shouldn't be included in the main DB.  However you can include him in your local DB, just can not be contributed to the main DB.
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Based on my last audit of the title there is ONLY Screenplay by and NO credit for any othger writing, so your vote is WRONG. Btw, FYI 2001, was an Original Screenplay, the book was based upon the Screenplay. The story was inspired by a 1959 SHORT Story by Arthur C. Clarke "The Sentinel" but it was not based on the story.

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As I stated in my contribution - Arthur C. Clarke is only credited as Screenwriter, and should not be credited as "Original material by" according to current rules. I understand people's need for extensive information, but rules should always be followed when voting.
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I'm voting yes on this one as the rules are clear cut on what can be included from a credits point of view and the update is correct.

Whilst I think polls are useful where rules are unclear they simply muddy the waters where they aren't.
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Oh, and by the way - Skip (as always) can be trusted to deliver the goods... 
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Based on my last audit of the title there is ONLY Screenplay by and NO credit for any othger writing, so your vote is WRONG. Btw, FYI 2001, was an Original Screenplay, the book was based upon the Screenplay. The story was inspired by a 1959 SHORT Story by Arthur C. Clarke "The Sentinel" but it was not based on the story.

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Which is exactly what I said. He shouldn't have 2 credits BUT my vote was no because it would have left Arthur C Clarke with a SCREENWRITER credit. I do try and obey the rules this is as far as I know for an "Adapted Screenplay" This is an original screenplay which should be credited as "Written By" or am I missing something?
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Graveworm.

Arthur C. Clarke is credited in the opening credits as SCREENWRITER and should therefore be credited as such...
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Quoting Berak:
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Graveworm.

Arthur C. Clarke is credited in the opening credits as SCREENWRITER and should therefore be credited as such...

Seems perfectly reasonable to me but the notes for the rules do clearly say  for Screenwriter "use for adapted screenplays".
And for writer "use for original screenplay only".

We have just established this is not an adapted screenplay so he can't be have the screenwriter role or can he?
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Quoting rules:

'Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits.'

Wether or not Clarke wrote something this film is based upon, the fact remains that he is only credited as SCREENWRITER. The rules clearly state that crewmembers credited as "Screenwriter", "Screenplay", "Teleplay" should be added as such.

I rest my case!
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Seems to be a contradiction in the rules to me but I'll happily go with the flow and change my vote. Everyone here already knows what the situation is, as do I, so it's only for the benefit of others who might rely on the data. As I said I just wanted there to be a consensus.
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Seems to be a contradiction in the rules to me but I'll happily go with the flow and change my vote. Everyone here already knows what the situation is, as do I, so it's only for the benefit of others who might rely on the data. As I said I just wanted there to be a consensus.


The notes for this section are indeed confusing.  However, they are less confusing if you understand that they are there to help evaluate odd credits.  They are meant as a reference, they are not meant to counter the 'as credited' rule.
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While working for the International Division of Control Data Corp., I heard Clark speak at a Toronto computer conference in 71 or ’72 on the future of telecommunications, computers and virtual reality. I remember eliciting a laugh from my section of the audience with the comment “ah, thousands of men having sex with Raquel Welch at the same time.”

In interview included in the DVD, Clarke states that he and Kubrick worked fours years together on the project.

I see only screenwriter credits both Kubrick and Clark.
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It might help if we modified the Crew job list as follows:

Screenplay by: Adapted screenplays, taken from another medium
Written by:  Original screenplays, written directly for the screen

In cases where the credit reads 'Screenplay by' or 'Screenwriter' and we know it was written directly for the screen, as in the case of '2001: A Space Odyssey', use 'Screenwriter' as the job role instead of 'Written by' in order to follow the way the credits are presented.
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