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Stunts with Cast or Crew?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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As I said Steve, you're reporting was correct, unfortunately, while it was in the Revision, the Revision never got published.   You can thank our fdriendly neighborhood parser, Unicus, for this.  If the stunt personnel are ACTUALLY credited as part of the cast list in the film, we are currently STUCK with it.

Do NOT interpret this to mean that I favor it...because I don't.

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Now that we have dividers, why not use them for this purpose as well? We do that also for different language versions, where foreign actors supply the voices for animations.
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<shakes head> Staid, STUNTS are NOT cast generally, there are exceptions but I can't think of one I have seen that would utilize dividers. They either are or are not part of cast and fortunately it is rare that they are.

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Personally speaking I don't like having to see the stunt men in the cast list...  I definitely don't want to see them with the divider. Of course that is just my opinion.
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I see your point, and I wouldn't be looking to add even more cast or crew for that matter. I just wanted to point out that if the general opinion would be to include stunt men, we could use a "hygienic" divider to reflect a similar distinction in the movie's title credits.

Anyway, in crew there is not even a proper category, I think?
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<shakes head> Staid, STUNTS are NOT cast generally, there are exceptions but I can't think of one I have seen that would utilize dividers. They either are or are not part of cast and fortunately it is rare that they are.

Skip


I know this should go in "Feature Requests", but I think we need moving avatars, so that Skip can actually shake his head at me (and others) and save on the <> tags. 
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I don't think they should be listed at all in the cast credits. And that's even if they are listed in the cast credits.

I did a search at dictionary.com and going by the definitions of "cast" I see no way that stunt men should be included.



Theater. the group of performers to whom parts are assigned; players.

The actors in a play, movie, or other theatrical presentation.

the actors in a play

the complete set of actors in a play, opera etc
Example: the whole cast of the play

It seems to me that the definition of "cast" only refers to the actors who appear in the film, tv show etc. Simpy put stunt men are not actors and therefore shouldn't be included.

IMHO!!
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Yes, you can thank me for this but don't blame me for it.  I tried to find a way to not include them but I couldn't.  The rules define what standard credits are and tell us to copy them exactly.  There is no out for people we don't believe belong there.
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I wouldn't blame you, Unicus. 

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I had the same issue recently, not with stunt men, but puppeteers. Technically they are not acting in the movie, but they were listed in the cast list. So I added them, without dividers.

Is this the correct way to do it, or should they kept out of the profile?

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Works for me, cver.

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I had the same issue recently, not with stunt men, but puppeteers. Technically they are not acting in the movie, but they were listed in the cast list. So I added them, without dividers.

Is this the correct way to do it, or should they kept out of the profile?

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This one is actually covered in the rules: If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role.
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I had the same issue recently, not with stunt men, but puppeteers. Technically they are not acting in the movie, but they were listed in the cast list. So I added them, without dividers.

Is this the correct way to do it, or should they kept out of the profile?

Regards


This one is actually covered in the rules: If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role.


I add puppeteers as long a they are mentioned in the credits (not necessarily as part of the cast). Dividers should not be used IMO (and according to the rules as far as my interpretation goes...) 
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I had the same issue recently, not with stunt men, but puppeteers. Technically they are not acting in the movie, but they were listed in the cast list. So I added them, without dividers.

Is this the correct way to do it, or should they kept out of the profile?

Regards


This one is actually covered in the rules: If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role.

But what if they are called performers (like in "The Dark Crystal") in the credits. Should we still use the suffix "(puppeteer)" or should we use "(perfomer)" in those cases?
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I had the same issue recently, not with stunt men, but puppeteers. Technically they are not acting in the movie, but they were listed in the cast list. So I added them, without dividers.

Is this the correct way to do it, or should they kept out of the profile?

Regards



What is acting?  Portraying a character not yourself, right?  Assuming a role.  That includes mannerisms, gestures, etc.  A puppeteer may not be acting directly 1 to 1 with the camera, but he most certainly is giving that puppet its character, mannerisms, and gestures.  If that isn't acting, I don't know what is.

Anybody care to make the case that the character of Yoda in Star Wars is NOT Frank Oz?
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