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I guess I need to lock every title of my collection.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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This was clearly the intent of the filmmaker, for what reason...I have no idea nor do I pretend to know more than the filmmaker does about HIS movie.


What makes you think this? Just because the cover and screen match? Why this title and not the multitude of other films that have quotes round the title?


I wouldn't call it a multitude, But yes there are others out there, though interms of actual format it is pretty unusual, most of the others which come to mind are in conjunction with a possessive.

Once again north in your comment to 8Ball i see bias not based on accuracy. I don't care that we all call it Mister Roberts. Would you fight the same battle over Beemer (BMW), what something may be commonly called does not change or have any relevance to it's "REAL" name or title. Regardless of what you think about it or what you THINK the title is, what 8Ball did is FACTUAL and accurate to the data as presented. In other words the quotation marks ARE present, that cannot be denied. Instead of the endless back-biting, why not say simply OK based on what is there he is right, then if it really gets you all latered up go see if you can provide proof that it is something else. NOT based on something that is merely based on fiction or an opinion..

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ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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There are 10 profiles in the database for Don't Look Now. On only one of these profiles do they have quote marks around the title on the cover. There are quote marks around the title on screen. So are you saying that 1 profile should have a different title to all the others even though they're the same film?
You're right, my bias is not based on accuracy, although how you derived that from my question (not comment) to 8ballMax, I don't know.
My bias is based on usability - I want data that can be used - after all, that's what it's there for - we are not a "museum" or "repository" we are not collecting this data so that future generations will know what the "proper" title of Mister Roberts was. What's the point of having "accurate" data if no one can find the films they are looking for simply by typing it in?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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But you CAN, north.<shrugs> Why are you mak8ng this so hard.  "Mister Roberts", tich the substring filter and type Mister Roberts, you know what you get...."Mister Roberts". You say we are not a museum or a repository, do you speak for Ken now, that may not be your interest, but it might be his.

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Since you referenced Don't Look Now and that MIGHT be correct for that one listing to which you refer and it may not be. I know it would not be correct per US Copyright, but that does NOT mean it might not be registered as "Don't Look Now" somewhere else. See my reference to The Birds which my research has a different title Registered in UK, than it does in the states.<shrugs> I have no control over Hollywood and their activities, they might be easier to deal with than this mob.      

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Billy Video
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Yes, very humourous 
Now how about answering the actual questions?
And here's another - why do you assume that Ken does want this extra info in the title field? I've seen no posts from him stating a preference either way.

Edit: skipped a post there, and I don't think you can call your work on The Birds research, seeing how you used IMDB!
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I know it would not be correct per US Copyright


Where did this information come from?
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This title will be changed to remove the quotes per Gerri after the rules are updated (which will hopefully be soon)



Karnac says.....TODAY.


Karnac (and Hal) were correct.

New Rules are posted and the issue that started this thread is addressed:

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Some interesting new additions there to the rules, I'll have to have a proper read later.
I'm hoping they'll quell a lot of the arguments here.
I'm also particularly interested in seeing how the possessive rules work out.
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I really hate to do this, Cliff but you really need to get a grip and try learning how to use substring filters, setting up sorts so they work the way YOU want  and most importantly STOP worrying about whether the Online conforms to YOUR requirements and preferences, same goes for a LOT of other users. It really isn't that hard to comprehend. I am so happy to see we have so many users who were obviously so involved in the making of films that have a level of first hand expertise that allows them to reach unsupported and unsubstantiated conclusion about all kinds of areas...not just the title and what they BELIEVE constitutes the title. I don'thave that level of FIRST HAND expereience so I cna only deal wuith the data that is On Screen or the Cover, and maybe document it further via checking on the Copyrighted title.

Skip


So, you are wrong. I am correct. No quotes when they surround the entire film title, by the rules.

Yet, you had to call me out.

If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.

Cliff
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I really hate to do this, Cliff but you really need to get a grip and try learning how to use substring filters, setting up sorts so they work the way YOU want  and most importantly STOP worrying about whether the Online conforms to YOUR requirements and preferences, same goes for a LOT of other users. It really isn't that hard to comprehend. I am so happy to see we have so many users who were obviously so involved in the making of films that have a level of first hand expertise that allows them to reach unsupported and unsubstantiated conclusion about all kinds of areas...not just the title and what they BELIEVE constitutes the title. I don'thave that level of FIRST HAND expereience so I cna only deal wuith the data that is On Screen or the Cover, and maybe document it further via checking on the Copyrighted title.

Skip


So, you are wrong. I am correct. No quotes when they surround the entire film title, by the rules.

Yet, you had to call me out.



The rule does not state that the ""s are not part of the title. The rule only states not to include them if they surround the entire title. I would assume this more for database usability than anything else   .
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It's good to know that the guy at the helm of all this is a sensible fellow.
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Wrong, the database has to conform to what Ken wants to achieve with the database. If it were dependent we could find ourselves dealing with different Rules every week, kind of like we had with contributions ynder the old guidleines. the majority is imporatnt in terms of insight, but if that insight does not match what the programmer wants to do...then the majority takes the back seat and the minority might as well, because the programmer may well take us somewher no one expected. Its not a democracy and BTW you do attem,pt to re-interpret and parse EVERY word I say, and you are ALWAYS wrong in your assumptions.

Skip


Ken has said in a previous post (in another thread) that he always looks at the way voting is made to gauge how people want the database to look.

So no, Ken doesn't impose his view above that of those voting.
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In fact in many cases some of these same do-nothing users SOLE Contribution to this program and its forums besides being"experts" without experience is to make demeaning, disparaging and otherwise insulting remarks directed at other users.

Skip


It is not just these 'do-nothing' users that are guilty of this.  It applies to 'do-something' users as well.  The difference seems to be that some 'do-something' users feel that it is justified simply because they do something.  It seem that mere fact, even though it isn't required, somehow makes them better than the 'do-nothing' users.  It is a sad, sad situation.

Please note that while this was a reply to Skip's post, it was a general statement and not directed at any one person.  BTW, it is also a sad situation that I have to include this note. 


If its up to Ken then why do you and others bandy about words such as majority and even democracy, Unicus. neither word has ANY relevance, UNLESS people are trying badger the programmer. The viewpoints have been expressed, nothing more needs to be said. And certainly not here. Some users need to really learn how to make use of the program before they start carping.

In my poersonal opinion, Unicus, and this does not apply to you because you are not in that category. The users who choose to do nothing or very little and I do mean very little, have simply one objective in being very vocal and attcking in their comments. They want the data to come to them in a pre-packaged form that conforms to their particular criteria and they will say ANYTHING to achieve that objective, they do not even want to have to do any maintenance on their local. I have said before, I am very fortunate to be where I am in my life, and that I have the time to do what I feel like I want to do, to expect that of everyone would be absur, but it is equally absurd for users to do nothing for the common good, than to be argumentative, insulting, we would all be far better off if thiose users would take a small portion of the time they spend here disparaging what others have to say and Contribute to the database instead.

I find it insulting not just to myself but to others in the community who also work very hard Contributiing to find that these vocal users have done NOTHING or near nothing since March.

Kind of a play on an old saw.
Those that can...DO, those that can't or won't...carp.

Skip


Blah, blah, blah, blah blah.............
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The fact of the matter is that until recently, very few people actually had any problem whatsoever determining the actual Title of a film.

It wasn't until a minuscule minority around here decided that everything that they saw on screen (or on the cover) must be part of the title, that we started having any problems at all!

It is unclear why after all these years of using DVDP, this revelation has suddenly occurred. 


I've been a contributing member of this little community of ours since July 23, 2001 and to be completely honest with you Hal, to the best of my knowledge, Mister Roberts is the first title that I have added to my collection that has quotes around the title. I've never had a problem determining what constitutes "the title" until I attempted to make this contribution. If that makes me some sort of ignoramous then so be it.


I was not referring specifically to your contribution of Mister Roberts, which had been contributed previously with the quotes.

I am not familiar with your collection, but many, many older films include quotes around the title in the on screen credits (which is where we currently get the title).  For years, these titles have been entered without the quotes...and rightly so.

It is only recently that some have decided that we have all been wrong for all these years.
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That might be Hal's opinion but not mine, the Cover and the Front Cover are a precise match in terms of the quotation marks, as you know. This was clearly the intent of the filmmaker, for what reason...I have no idea nor do I pretend to know more than the filmmaker does about HIS movie. It is indeed fairly unusual, though not unheard of, but it certainly is NOT the Common prctice, such as it is with TV Series Episodes.

Skip


The cover is irrelevant under the current Rules.
Hal
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Since you referenced Don't Look Now and that MIGHT be correct for that one listing to which you refer and it may not be. I know it would not be correct per US Copyright, but that does NOT mean it might not be registered as "Don't Look Now" somewhere else. See my reference to The Birds which my research has a different title Registered in UK, than it does in the states.<shrugs> I have no control over Hollywood and their activities, they might be easier to deal with than this mob.      

Skip


There's only one copyright that matters; that of the CoO.
Hal
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