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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 235 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for you answers. The no-votes keep pouring in. Some ask me to read the rules... Gladly! Which section?  I don't really see any rule violation in my contribution, and as long as the credits are undocumented, I don't see anything wrong with replacing them with documented credits. Could some of the no-voters please elaborate their reasons for voting against? Reasons like "no", "People in archive footage are often included" etc seem a little vague. "Sorry, "mikl doesn't think they belong here" does not appear in the rules.". You are right, but list credited actors, do appear. Then please point me to the section in the rules that allows for uncredited, undocumented archive footage actors, ripped from IMDb and I'll be happy to withdraw. "They are uncredited, but have been verifyed by a previous user." Who? I don't see it anywhere in the notes. | | | | DVD Profiler på Dansk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mikkel: As far as I know there is no prohibition against archive footage. It was bandied aboutand more or less agreed to not include it but it has not found it's way into the Rules.So, I would suggest a compromise, I will not say never, but I don't believe that I can't think of an ocassion where archive fooage was actually notated in a film's credits, at least i don't believe I have seen it, which means that data is probably <clears throat>  so obviously if it is part of a film's credits we should include it, if not I would be comfortable removing it. @Leiterfluid: Polls are NOT Rules, and not enforceable as if they were, until such time as Ken might choose to include this data, there is NO prohibition Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 235 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree that there isn't anything speaking against archive footage in the rules, but as it is most often uncredited, I'd say that it should be handled with care and we should be careful not to flood the database with it. And as long as the current data is undocumented and most probably an IMDb rip, I see nothing wrong in removing it. | | | | DVD Profiler på Dansk |
| | Registered: July 15, 2007 |  Posts: 159 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mikl: Quote:
"They are uncredited, but have been verifyed by a previous user." Who? I don't see it anywhere in the notes. You verified it yourself in the first post: "For instance in Fahrenheit 9/11, Robert DeNiro is appearing in a fraction of a second, standing behind Al Gore on some old TV footage, shown in the movie." | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: July 15, 2007 | | Posts: 159 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
Quoting gardibolt:
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Quoting mikl:
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"They are uncredited, but have been verifyed by a previous user." Who? I don't see it anywhere in the notes.
You verified it yourself in the first post: "For instance in Fahrenheit 9/11, Robert DeNiro is appearing in a fraction of a second, standing behind Al Gore on some old TV footage, shown in the movie."
So you feel that if you serch for deniro movies that farenheit 911 should get up as one of the pics?
"hmm I feel like a rob deniro movie tonite let me check the db....Ahhhh farenheit 911 cant even remember hes in thatone?" Thats yust plain silly man if this is correct we have to go to every single war movie with actual historic archive footage and credit adolf hitler, eisenhover and churchill in proparbly over 400 titles from the WWII movie library. plus ducus. a little example here IMDB has listed hitler in 366 movies as himself last entry(or first) is The World Moves On (1934) (uncredited) ....Himself
For docus actually about hitler or ones that show him speak, shure credit him. If he stands in the back looking at the person being interviewed he has nothing in the cast to do. Unless he is credited in the credits ofcourse. hey did u know hitler was in this movie? Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed (2007) (TV) .... Himself hehe did not think so. Absolutely. Otherwise how would I know Robert De Niro shows up in Fahrenheit 9/11? You must not have seen very many WWII era movies. Very few of them include any footage of FDR, Churchill or Hitler. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mikl: Quote:
And as long as the current data is undocumented and most probably an IMDb rip, I see nothing wrong in removing it. "Most probably an IMDb rip" is not good enough to remove uncedited. It has to be "undocumented" and a "close match" to IMDb. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
Quoting gardibolt:
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Quoting mikl:
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"They are uncredited, but have been verifyed by a previous user." Who? I don't see it anywhere in the notes.
You verified it yourself in the first post: "For instance in Fahrenheit 9/11, Robert DeNiro is appearing in a fraction of a second, standing behind Al Gore on some old TV footage, shown in the movie."
So you feel that if you serch for deniro movies that farenheit 911 should get up as one of the pics?
"hmm I feel like a rob deniro movie tonite let me check the db....Ahhhh farenheit 911 cant even remember hes in thatone?" Thats yust plain silly man if this is correct we have to go to every single war movie with actual historic archive footage and credit adolf hitler, eisenhover and churchill in proparbly over 400 titles from the WWII movie library. plus ducus. a little example here IMDB has listed hitler in 366 movies as himself last entry(or first) is The World Moves On (1934) (uncredited) ....Himself
For docus actually about hitler or ones that show him speak, shure credit him. If he stands in the back looking at the person being interviewed he has nothing in the cast to do. Unless he is credited in the credits ofcourse. hey did u know hitler was in this movie? Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed (2007) (TV) .... Himself hehe did not think so. Edit: wrong reply... | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is it Monday yet?  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Quoting Dvdjon:
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Quoting gardibolt:
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Quoting mikl:
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"They are uncredited, but have been verifyed by a previous user." Who? I don't see it anywhere in the notes.
You verified it yourself in the first post: "For instance in Fahrenheit 9/11, Robert DeNiro is appearing in a fraction of a second, standing behind Al Gore on some old TV footage, shown in the movie."
So you feel that if you serch for deniro movies that farenheit 911 should get up as one of the pics?
"hmm I feel like a rob deniro movie tonite let me check the db....Ahhhh farenheit 911 cant even remember hes in thatone?" Thats yust plain silly man if this is correct we have to go to every single war movie with actual historic archive footage and credit adolf hitler, eisenhover and churchill in proparbly over 400 titles from the WWII movie library. plus ducus. a little example here IMDB has listed hitler in 366 movies as himself last entry(or first) is The World Moves On (1934) (uncredited) ....Himself
For docus actually about hitler or ones that show him speak, shure credit him. If he stands in the back looking at the person being interviewed he has nothing in the cast to do. Unless he is credited in the credits ofcourse. hey did u know hitler was in this movie? Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed (2007) (TV) .... Himself hehe did not think so.
Absolutely. Otherwise how would I know Robert De Niro shows up in Fahrenheit 9/11?
You must not have seen very many WWII era movies. Very few of them include any footage of FDR, Churchill or Hitler. WHAT?!! Are you plain stupid, or is your comment intentional?! The issue is whether to add uncredited cast and archive footage, so it would seem you haven't seen many WWII documentaries if your stand is that Churchill, Roosevelt and good ol'Hitler doesn't appear in the majority of them....  | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Absolutely. Otherwise how would I know Robert De Niro shows up in Fahrenheit 9/11? Surely you jest. Quote:
You must not have seen very many WWII era movies. Very few of them include any footage of FDR, Churchill or Hitler. I'd agree with your statement if we were discussing WWII movies - however, the subject was, I believe, documentaries. Don't try to convince me very few of THEM include any footage of FDR, Churchill or Hitler or I'll laugh your face off. [berak posted while I was busily composing. <sigh>] | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
@Leiterfluid:
Polls are NOT Rules, and not enforceable as if they were, until such time as Ken might choose to include this data, there is NO prohibition
Skip I never said they were. I just pointed out that this topic has come up before. Polls can, however, indicate a consensus; which may be considered when the rules are lacking in clarity. |
| | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | If a previous poll is relevant to the particular contribution, then it will be reflected in the contribution voting pattern. If it's not, then the poll is either wrong, or does not apply to the particular contribution.
"Rules" are general statements of intent. The contribution vote caters for the situations where the "rule" does not fit a particular situation or a particular contribution. | | | | Last edited: by johnd |
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