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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is as much for Ken as it is for my fellow users.
I am working on a title that I will not bother to name. It contains several Aliases that have cited the Lookup Tool. The Lookup Tool is INVALID, for example Robert Downey Jr. AND Robert Downey, Jr. are both listed as having played in Air America and numerous other MATCHING titles. ONLY one of those can be correct. Based on my own Profiles Air America stars Robert Downey, Jr., so all Air America listing Robert Downey Jr. are WRONG.
As I have said repeatedly the foundation for the whole system is As Credited and if that data is incorrect then we cannot possible get a valid result for Credited As.
Come on people let's do it right PLEASE or don't do it all.
At Ken, I don't want to dig up a dead horse, but since the Alias system is grossly inaccurate due to corrupt data, I believe the best thing to do, and it pains me to say this, is to go with the system which I suggested, it assigns NO PRIORITY and therefore is NOT dependent upon the accuracy of the data in the Online. At this point in time, the ONLY data which I have any confidence in for accuracy is mine and a handful of other users. This is frustrating for me, personally, because I want the Alias system but it simply doesn't work.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
since the Alias system is grossly inaccurate due to corrupt data, And I fear it always will be. I've just had to vote NO to a Cast contribution that was a replica of IMDb. But not everybody is going to check. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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since the Alias system is grossly inaccurate due to corrupt data,
And I fear it always will be. I'd have to agree with that, unfortunately. Isn't life tragic...?  |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | So the system isn't perfect. but it works.
This would be "cured" if we had but one master profile for every movie, instead of dozens of profiles for every locality and edition... But that would be a major rewrite of the program. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | And that would also make problems with localized cast (for animated movies for example) | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,481 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The Lookup Tool is INVALID, for example Robert Downey Jr. AND Robert Downey, Jr. are both listed as having played in Air America and numerous other MATCHING titles. ONLY one of those can be correct. Based on my own Profiles Air America stars Robert Downey, Jr., so all Air America listing Robert Downey Jr. are WRONG.
Skip No I believe Downey, Jr. is wrong and Downey Jr. woulds be correct. Since when do we add a comma after the last name before Jr. ?? Just change the wrong one you feel is wrong in the data base with new contributions.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think he was highlighting the uselessness of it. The actual credits in Air America read Robert Downey, Jr., comma included. There are a mess of profiles out of region 1 for this title that list the actor minus the comma. Unfortunately, we can only fix the one we own, leaving the other umpteen versions to skew the lookup tool in the wrong direction.
This has been discussed about a million times in the last week. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
This is as much for Ken as it is for my fellow users.
I am working on a title that I will not bother to name. It contains several Aliases that have cited the Lookup Tool. The Lookup Tool is INVALID, for example Robert Downey Jr. AND Robert Downey, Jr. are both listed as having played in Air America and numerous other MATCHING titles. ONLY one of those can be correct. Based on my own Profiles Air America stars Robert Downey, Jr., so all Air America listing Robert Downey Jr. are WRONG.
As I have said repeatedly the foundation for the whole system is As Credited and if that data is incorrect then we cannot possible get a valid result for Credited As.
Yes we can, "Credited As" is what we see on the screen in the credits. It is only based on the credits found in that DVD. The "common name" in the other hand should be based on the total data in the system, but it is just a key to match up the real data. Quote:
Come on people let's do it right PLEASE or don't do it all.
I agree with you that we should all try to enter the correct data as we see it in the film credits. Quote:
At Ken, I don't want to dig up a dead horse, but since the Alias system is grossly inaccurate due to corrupt data, I believe the best thing to do, and it pains me to say this, is to go with the system which I suggested, it assigns NO PRIORITY and therefore is NOT dependent upon the accuracy of the data in the Online. At this point in time, the ONLY data which I have any confidence in for accuracy is mine and a handful of other users. This is frustrating for me, personally, because I want the Alias system but it simply doesn't work.
Skip This system like all others is only as good as its data. The "corrupt data" as you call it only will change the "common name" that we use as a key to all of that actors films. As has been pointed out many times before, we could use "Jr Rob Dow" as a "common name" for Robert Downey(,) Jr. and it would all link up just fine. That said, it is far easier to find "Robert Downey Jr." or "Robert Downey, Jr." as we are entering the cast list. pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, and this is just my opinion, my issue with this is that the few of us who care are getting dragged down by the majority who could give a hoot. Now the majority probably doesn't care either way if credits link or not, but unfortunately, I have to rely of these folks to do things right if I care. It's flawed on the face of it because, if they cared, it wouldn't be the mess that it is now. It's not like, hey, now that we have the credit tool, maybe they should clean up all the junk. They don't even notice the junk, so why would I think it'll someday get cleaned up?  If you want aliasing, either do it yourself or bequeath your database to your grandchildren. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
So the system isn't perfect. but it works. This depends on what you define as "working". If it suffices for you that the system delivers data then you're right. It works. For the rest of us who think that this data is supposed to be correct, it doesn't. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well said, goblins. I have determined that Phase TWO, for me, instead of ebing what I had hoped it would be, which was researching and setting up the aliases when I finish Phase One in a few months, is now going to have to be going back and making sure that EVERY copy of EVERY title I own matches.<groan> Though quite frankly, I am not sure why I should worry about it. Since I seem to be in the minority...but I want an accurate database. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | I for one am new at this and I am TRULY trying to understand this lookup tool and how it actually works.
I read all these posts and I seem to get more confused about it the more I read about it.
I understand that you want names to be entered in a contribution the way the persons names shows up in the credits at the end of the movie you are doing. This is where it gets confusing to me. I do not truly understand how I go about determining what name (if any) I should be putting in the "credited as" space. I do not fully understand when it SHOULD be used and when this SHOULD NOT be used.
I am not stupid...just really confused at this point and would REALLY like to try to help get this thing going in the right direction. The last thing I want to do is to continue messing it up.
I know you can see that I am trying my best to help clean up the database...as was seen by some of my straightening out of the overviews etc over the past few weeks...and I want to be able to be a POSITIVE aspect in here rather then a NEGATIVE one.
If there is someone out here who can try to explain this in a very simple way...I would love to hear it.
Thank you
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're doing fine in that you are doing everything the rules prescribe. The problem with credit linking is that, in order for it to work well, a majority chunk of the online has to be correct. Unfortunately, when the online is wrong, it's really wrong. Now, it's all well and good for us individuals to attempt to fix it, but errors are spread across regions and languages. Having 10 of us in region 1 fix the single U.S. release of a title is like throwing a pebble in the pacific. Doesn't make much of a ripple. Yet that is what we're told the ultimate answer is to be; wait for the rest of the world to fix their stuff. Some of us just don't have that kind of patience. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
You're doing fine in that you are doing everything the rules prescribe. The problem with credit linking is that, in order for it to work well, a majority chunk of the online has to be correct. Unfortunately, when the online is wrong, it's really wrong. Now, it's all well and good for us individuals to attempt to fix it, but errors are spread across regions and languages. Having 10 of us in region 1 fix the single U.S. release of a title is like throwing a pebble in the pacific. Doesn't make much of a ripple. Yet that is what we're told the ultimate answer is to be; wait for the rest of the world to fix their stuff. Some of us just don't have that kind of patience. Even more alarming: because the vast majority of the profiles are wrong, the error will most likely eventually show up again in the correct profiles. I don't see any other way to fix this other then using a master-profile for each movie and build new profile per regio/country etc. with this master-profile as its template. The many, many profiles for a single movie are mostly inherently redundant and that defies the basic rules of relational data. | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? |
| | Registered: January 7, 2008 | | Posts: 30 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mwkirchner: Quote:
I read all these posts and I seem to get more confused about it the more I read about it.
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If there is someone out here who can try to explain this in a very simple way...I would love to hear it. Ditto. I am having a very difficult time with this. Especially since I'm also dealing with some Asian films. I submitted some recent changes which went uncontested, but I now fear that they are incorrect. This all seemed fairly straightforward before I started reading the forum. I had assumed that the "First/Middle/Last" name entries were the ones that should be standardized. That way, if the same actor showed up in ANY movie, whether named Robert, Bob, R., B., Bobby, or anything else in the credits, the movies would still be linked by the actor. If I wanted to find every movie I owned with that actor, I could. The "credited as" field should be EXACTLY what is shown on the screen. Is that correct? Then, we have the issue of Asian names. Assuming the above is correct, was a decision ever come to over how Asian names get entered? Again, "credited as" is clear. It should be whatever shows on the screen. But what about the "First/Middle/Last" names? And what about spellings? For many of the names, there are multiple spellings depending on which studio (or possibly which person) did the Romanization of the names from the Asian characters. For instance, Yuen Woo-Ping is often credited as Yuen Wo Ping. How do I decide which name to use? And does Yuen or Woo-Ping go into the "First Name" field? I have been reading through the forums for the answers to these questions and have found MANY answers. But I don't seem to see a clearly defined, definitive answer. I'd really like to go through the titles I own and try to get them standardized so that they are all correct, but I don't know where to go for the absolute definition of "correct". |
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