Quoting RHo:

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If they are fully integrated at the end of the cast list (no space, no stunt coordinator, no nothing to separate them), they are still fully integrated and therefore listed.

Which you will find, no more than 1% of the userbase actually does. About 99% of the userbase seems to cut off after the last "real" cast member, and quite rightly so, IMHO. Just check the "credit lookup" tool when you next encounter such people "fully integrated at the end of the cast list", and see in how many profiles they've been entered. Again, I fully understand why some people would use "blanket statements" like this - it's the easy way out. But personally, I'm much more interested in consistency. IMHO, stunt crew is not cast, so they don't belong there.

Again: I want to be consistent. Adding them for one film because there's no space to separate them, and not add them for the next film because there IS such a space, makes no sense to me. Either I track all stunt-people, and then I want to able to see on which of my movies they worked. Or I don't track them at all. It's not interesting to be able to conjure up a list of which movies a certain stuntperson worked on if DVD Profiler proceeds to only show you the films they worked on but were not separated from the cast list by a space. That's complete and utter nonsense. Again: I feel we should either decide to track them, or decide to leave them out every single time.

Deciding whether to enter a certain group of standard movie personnel just based on formatting of the credits is completely ridiculous. What's next? Shall we decide that we only enter production designers if they appear in the opening credits, but leave them out if they happen to be credited in the end credits? Laugh all you want, but it's basically the same thing: deciding whether to enter a regular group of movie crew just based on where they're found in the credits. It doesn't make any sense. Either we track 'em, or we don't.

Quoting T!M:

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(...) Adding them for one film because there's no space to separate them, and not add them for the next film because there IS such a space, makes no sense to me. Either I track all stunt-people, and then I want to able to see on which of my movies they worked. Or I don't track them at all. (...)

I can understand that. But then, we do already have the exception for stunt people intermixed with the rest of the cast (not at the end). How is that different?

My point of view: if there is a single cast list at the end credits, we should enter the complete list or make a better definition of what is a cast member and what's not.

Quoting RHo:

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My point of view: if there is a single cast list at the end credits, we should enter the complete list or make a better definition of what is a cast member and what's not.

i agree on this one

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Do we really have that exception? Is it in the rules? IMHO, it can simply be bypassed if you simply feel that stunt people are crew, not cast. If I'm told to enter the complete cast list, I'll still happily leave out any stunt people, because I don't consider them part of the cast. I still feel that I've done what I was told to do, and don't feel I have done anything wrong. As so many things, unfortunately, it's wide open for interpretation. Again, flicking through the "credit lookup" tool results, you'll find that most users think that way - whatever the "forum consensus" may be. Though I'm personally not exactly craving to enter them into DVD Profiler, I'd be happy to include stunt people in my profiles. But then I'd want to track them for every movie, and not just for half of them while leaving them out of the other half because there's a space separating them from the cast. That would be completely illogical. If we were to include them, Ken should make a "stunts" segment under crew.

From that point of view you are of course correct. But if we add the stunt people officially to our database, I'd rather have them in the cast list than having a stunts segment in the crew list. But I would not care if we would officially ban them either.

Redefining the rules is o so easy. The majority feels that dancers are cast and should have been in the cast and not in the crew section. And the end credits end where the last actor is listed. Or that the end credits are not the end credits but other credits. So you can list whatever you feel like to be cast or redefine as cast. Very hard to follow. They even want uncredited aded and do ad uncredited without documentation. The guidance days were much easier

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IMHO, it can simply be bypassed if you simply feel that stunt people are crew, not cast.

In my view, it's easier to consider stunt people and doubles as crew rather than cast, because they are standing in for the actor.  But dancers as a rule are the recognized performer (unless they are doubling for an actor -- for example, Marine Jahan in Flashdance.

I believe that performers deserve to be credited (if they are) because they are recognizable on screen. By that definition, dancers are performers.

However, I would prefer to exclude them for the cited film because there are so many of them.  I don't like to see a "Around the World in 80 Days"-length actor list.  It's too hard to maintain.