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intilectual debate on SRP
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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Interesting idea.  $0.  Although, it also occured to me, if  I rented this, and lost the DVD, how much would they charge for a replacement?  That I might be able to find out...  I am friendly with the local manager.


Depends on the title..,  I'm sure if you lost a title that has been in their system for a number of years they would work out a fair ressonable sale price.. If it is a new, less than 30 days old catalogue title, you may be looking at full price.


That is exactly how we used to do it for lost titles.
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Ok Darxon, I will be happy to explain SRP from a US POV. SRP is set by the distributor as you say, but it means nothing and has no force other than reference. Every dealer has their own policies regarding SRP, thus while MGM may say the SRP is $24.95, you may see retailers listing it all over the map within that ballpark. BB may be $24.97, CC $24.99, Wal-Mart $24.93, etc and the variation could be as high as $.25 All those prices are virtually the same which is why the Rules read as they do. The ONLY isssue since ther are dealers that will sell off the SRP is, assuming a current title, if you know the SRP is supposed to be in the area 0f $25.00 and a dealer wants $35.00 (it does happen), I would presume that you would walk out of that store empty-handed.

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I understand the general concept of SRP, I just thought there might be a difference in handeling that for rental versions in the US. The SRP is set by the distributor in Germany as well and is nothing but a guideline (do I hear someone mumble rules committee ?  ) for stores that doesn't have to and more often also isn't followed by the stores here as well.

For rental versions it's kinda the same, as the wholesalers catering to the rental stores also make their own prices, depending on incentives, sales, pre-order bargains, subscription benefits and the like. But the SRP for rental versions is determined by the distributor and is made public to the wholesalers and the rental stores alike.

An SRP doesn't need a product to be sold to an end-consumer to exist, so marking rental editions with an SRP of 0,00 because the initial sale wasn't to an end-consumer is smiply wrong and warrants no-votes.
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I would agree, Darxon.

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Oh man, changing all those Hollywood titles to $0 SRP is really gonna mess up my "money saved from paying full price" stats bad.
Even though I got most of them for under $5, I also have a bunch of former rentals I scanned and submitted with existing info (when it was right, I checked 80-90% of the discs and audited many of them), but never thought about SRP and just left it.

If you're using SRP to support your "money saved" stats, I'd recommend you go ahead and put an SRP into your profile, lock it, and be sure that you never contribute it (and thereby corrupt the online database).  You might have to put a reminder in the NOTES section so you don't inadvertently contribute your SRP data.  But at least this way you could continue to do your savings analysis.
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Wow, what a discussion.  As for the one person who asked about release date, i would use the original title date. but that is just me.  Besides there probably would not be a concrete one for PV titles.
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Are these real UPCs that are part of the cover artwork, or is like Blockbuster that uses an internal UPC code for their POS/inventory system, which I know is something that BBV uses?
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I agree that technically a rental copy wouldn't have a SRP.  That being said, I would probably either go with 0 since it never had a SRP (my pick) or use one from a non-rental version (though that would never be a correct SRP).

Ok, this is coming off of what I know about rental copy prices based off VHS when I worked at a video store.  Example is Hackers.  For a rental copy of Hackers it was like $80.  Scream was like $150 or something like that.  I am not sure if it is the same practice now for DVDs.  I know that rental places will typically charge the SRP for a lost DVD, but I know of some smaller places that have billed for what they paid for their rental copy.

Also, an extra tidbit if you didn't know.  A movie at a video store is typically kept as a "new release" until the place makes their money back considering the expensive price of rental copies.
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Also, an extra tidbit if you didn't know.  A movie at a video store is typically kept as a "new release" until the place makes their money back considering the expensive price of rental copies.

I seem to remember from my Video Store days managing our local video outlet,  New releases were until that title hit Pay TV , usually 3 to 6 months in those days..

Here's some tidbit if you didn't know.,, Raiders of the Lost Ark, was never released on PayTV
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Ok, this is coming off of what I know about rental copy prices based off VHS when I worked at a video store.  Example is Hackers.  For a rental copy of Hackers it was like $80.  Scream was like $150 or something like that.  I am not sure if it is the same practice now for DVDs.


While some rental versions are actually a bit more expensive than the (usually later) released retail versions, the differences are nowhere near the prices charged for rental VHS tapes back in the day. With the release dates for the most part (March of the Penguins had a 6 month rental window) at a maximum difference of up to four weeks, the temptation for rental places to low stock initially and restock by buying retail versions a couple of weeks later would be too great. Plus, there are numerous examples of rental versions containing less extras than the retail version, lessening their value for re-sale significantly.

Rumor has it, that the old rental tapes had a significantly higher quality with regards to durability than the retail versions by using a thicker and longer lasting tape, as they were intended for a significantly higher number of playbacks. That also added to the price.

With DVDs, that's no longer necessary.
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for nolesrule.  These are UPCs that are part of the art.  you can look at two of these profiles.

Live Free or Die Hard. 024543476207

Simpson's Movie 024543484318 (although the art has not yet been approved)

When there are 2 versions of the film, Hollywood rents the single disc version. 

you want to see another interesting discussion (especially for people who have the retail version of the above mentioned Die Hard movie, go here:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=243800
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Oh man, changing all those Hollywood titles to $0 SRP is really gonna mess up my "money saved from paying full price" stats bad.
Even though I got most of them for under $5, I also have a bunch of former rentals I scanned and submitted with existing info (when it was right, I checked 80-90% of the discs and audited many of them), but never thought about SRP and just left it.

If you're using SRP to support your "money saved" stats, I'd recommend you go ahead and put an SRP into your profile, lock it, and be sure that you never contribute it (and thereby corrupt the online database).  You might have to put a reminder in the NOTES section so you don't inadvertently contribute your SRP data.  But at least this way you could continue to do your savings analysis.


I'll just go ahead and lock them in if and when they come up. Just seeing my picture in the "contributer's list" lets me know it's right.

Ah, Err, except for a few older contribs, those are probably worth re-auditing. Most of my former rentals were picked up during the mass Hollywood closing in town, I understood everything by then.
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Oh man, changing all those Hollywood titles to $0 SRP is really gonna mess up my "money saved from paying full price" stats bad.

Isn't that a bit of lying to yourself?

I can't remember if I have ever paid the price that's supposed to be the SRP in the profile - not even when I bought it on release date.
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Oh man, changing all those Hollywood titles to $0 SRP is really gonna mess up my "money saved from paying full price" stats bad.

Isn't that a bit of lying to yourself?

I can't remember if I have ever paid the price that's supposed to be the SRP in the profile - not even when I bought it on release date.


But you'll be able to compare "price paid" with "SRP", and get "money saved from paying full price". If a rental disc has an SRP of $0, then your money saved on that title will be negative, which will screw up the whole thing.
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At Blockbuster, they charge you the full SRP for the disc, should you fail to return it.  I have no doubt that Hollywood is the same.  I would go and check myself, but my local store closed their doors.


Based on that, I think the SRP would be the same as the retail version since that would be the retail price to "buy" that copy if you don't return the rental. Plus, really, can we practically go through the database and argue which UPCs are rental exclusives, given how many titles come out with multiple UPCs for various purposes? Seems hard to figure that out for sure. Can't it be argued that the differing UPCs that are sometimes issued for specific retailers (Best Buy, Walmart, etc.) carry no SRP since they are intended to be sold at that store only, so the store's regular sticker price would be the SRP as a result? Again, that seems like it would cause chaos to adopt that policy.
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