Quoting skipnet50:

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That means we should be providing PROPER documentation for EACH AND EVERY such entry.

While I am very hesitant in accepting birth years as well - I always try to verify them myself - it's not really up to you to demand this. Invelos specifically put the checkbox system in place for birth years, so that we don't have to keep documenting the same birth year additions time and time again. Once it's accepted into the Invelos-database, apparently we don't need to keep documenting it over and over again - I agree it's not perfect, but IMHO it is exactly how the system is meant to work. I would like Invelos to publish a list of accepted birth years, though, preferably with a link to the contribution notes that first got the birth year accepted into the database.

Unfortunately, there certainly are a few unneccesary birth years that slipped past the screeners and are now in the database as approved birth years - for instance, I noticed a birth year for John Cleese... Apart from stripping such birth years from your own profiles, we also need to get Ken or Gerri to remove such erroneous birth years from the database, so that the next time someone tries to contribute it, the checkbox requiring documentation will appear.

How can I be sure somebody is just propagating a previously accepted birth year and not adding a new one, that's what I like to know.

Somehow it should be made visible in the evaluation screen that the birth year addition is already part of the online database for us to see that the contributor is not lying in his notes.

Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:

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How can I be sure somebody is just propagating a previously accepted birth year and not adding a new one, that's what I like to know.

If you have doubts, you could always - even temporarily - add that particular birth year to your own profile and try to contribute it. If you don't get to see the checkbox, it's already approved by Invelos. If you do get the checkbox, the contributor was lying... 

But indeed: it would be helpful if this was somehow visible to the voters as well.

To Skip: while I essentially agree with you, and maintain the same high standards for my own local database, it's simply not what Invelos demands. The current system is especially set up so that once a birth year is accepted in the Invelos database, they can be propagated without having to document the same things over and over again. I agree that it's far from perfect, but it IS the system Invelos implemented. Therefore I'm glad to see a thread such as the one Unicus started, where we can keep track of all accepted/necessary birth years. That way, we can have all the necessary documentation in one place which is easy to refer to.

How about if when you check the box for the birth year you enter the contribution notes with documentation for that birth year to the actors name, then when ever someone makes a contribution propogating the birth year that documentation will automatically be added and shown on the contribution voting screen. then all the person needs to do is document that this is the 1952 Jon Doe and not that 1978 Jon Doe

-Agrare

Well that is a program modification that perhaps ken could do, Agrare. Unfortunately that isn't possible right now, the best way now is for us to grab the bull by the horns, recognize the problem and do whatever we can do to deal with it until we get a better way, and that is to enter documentation EVERY TIME. With the current limitations program wise I can't think of any better answer.

Skip

The problem with the current situation with BY's - where if they exist then they will be submitted automatically (no check box) - is that just because that actor/BY combination exists, it doesn't mean that actor/BY/Film is correct.

So you could have a valid actor/BY being submitted for the wrong film (where it should be the 'other' actor/BY).