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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantcadwal
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(I could not find anything about this in the rules or elsewhere)

Here in the nordic countries it is quite common to have a release that is the same for Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland (usually listed in that order on the back covers for some reason).

How do I make (or alter) a profile for a release like that?

Things like release date might be identical but it does not have to. Specifically, how do I make all the countries appear after the region encoding in the General info pane?

UPC 5-050582-454215 and 7-332431-023918 are examples of this, the latter lacking three out of four overviews as visible on the back cover.

/Ulf
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I believe you would have to make a profile for each region.
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And State IN BIG LETTERS to the reviewers in the contribution notes that it has the same EAN of an already existent release, but it is not an error. It is a different locality sharing the same bar code.
This way they'll allow the duplicate existence, and when someone types in the EAN on the add disc screen DVDpro will present the several options for the choosing.
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You'd have to create separate profiles for each individual Nordic country - sharing the same EAN is not a problem then. (Or, of course, you can just create one profile for your own country and leave the other profiles to do for people from the respective other countries). Skywatcher is wrong: profiles with the same EAN can co-exist if they're for different localities. No need to ask the Invelos reviewers for an exception.

Yes, release dates might be different. RRP's will certainly be different (different currencies). Ratings might be different (only the one for the locality should be listed in the profile). And in Overview ONLY list the text in the language of the locality involved (if that's the case in the profiles you saw, they're correct).

Regarding your question about making all the countries appear in the General Info pane: if you're referring to the "Country of Origin" window, you're mistaken. Country of Origin refers to the country where the FILM's primary production company is based (e.g. a film produced in the USA and released in Sweden has USA as Country of Origin), NOT to the country where the DVD was released. For the latter, we use Locality. In DVDP, go to DVD / Change Locality if you need to change a locality.

Where I live we have a similar phenomenon: Benelux releases, so we're quite used to them. In our case, profiles for the locality Netherlands would have an Overview text in Dutch, whereas for the locality Belgium they could be bilingual (Dutch and French) - if both are on the cover.

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If there's already a profile for one of the Nordic countries (or even one from elsewhere) and you want to create one for a different country, there's no need to start from scratch. You could then download the existing one, change the locality to the one you want (DVD / Change Locality) and then change the bits that need changing. This is called "cloning". Here's a guide on how to do it.
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Quoting Unicus69:
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I believe you would have to make a profile for each region.


Yes, this the way we've been doing it! Often the cover is multi-language, and the rules states that only corresponding review pr. profile country should be added, if I remember right. 
IE I will "extract" the Norwegian review when contributing the Norwegian profile etc.

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Follow dee1959jay's advice!

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For some strange reason 7-332431-023918 seems to appear twice for same locality when adding to collection. 
Karsten
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Quoting cadwal:
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(I could not find anything about this in the rules or elsewhere)

Here in the nordic countries it is quite common to have a release that is the same for Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland (usually listed in that order on the back covers for some reason).

How do I make (or alter) a profile for a release like that?

Things like release date might be identical but it does not have to. Specifically, how do I make all the countries appear after the region encoding in the General info pane?

UPC 5-050582-454215 and 7-332431-023918 are examples of this, the latter lacking three out of four overviews as visible on the back cover.

/Ulf

One thing to remember is that you don't have to be responsible for creating all the profiles. Just create the one for the country where you live and someone else will do it for their country and so on.
Of course, if you want to create them all - that's fine too! 
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profiles with the same EAN can co-exist if they're for different localities. No need to ask the Invelos reviewers for an exception.


dee1959jay:

Of course they can co-exist. Otherwise they wouldn't be allowed in the first place. 
I wasn't talking about any exception but only to get their attention that it's not an error.

Because, more often than not, what happens is that someone is making a new profile for a DVD using an existing profile and changing the relevant fields, but forgets to change the EAN (as it's in a different part of the program). So, the reviewers usually don't accept the new profile on the basis that it was likely someone that forgot to change the EAN when altering the original profile.
I get that a lot with Spanish/Portuguese releases that share EANs

Hence my "it has the same EAN of an already existent release, but it is not an error". Thus calling the attention of the reviewers that it is not a submission error, but the real (identical) EAN of the DVD.
Since I started doing that, I've had no more declined submissions.
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Ok, thank you all, that is exactly what I wanted to know.

And no, this had nothing to do with the country of origin so the cloning instructions link dee1959jay posted is just what I needed.

/Ulf
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@ cadwal
Glad I could help, Ulf. BTW: Welcome to the Asylum! 

@ Skywatcher:

Quoting Skywatcher:
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what happens is that someone is making a new profile for a DVD using an existing profile and changing the relevant fields, but forgets to change the EAN (as it's in a different part of the program). So, the reviewers usually don't accept the new profile on the basis that it was likely someone that forgot to change the EAN when altering the original profile.
I get that a lot with Spanish/Portuguese releases that share EANs.


This is where you lose me. Why would someone have to change the EAN if we're talking about sharing one and the same EAN?
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Forgetting to change the locality on the other hand, is a common mistake. Sometimes they are even approved, despite negative votes pointing out the mistake. 
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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Quoting Skywatcher:
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what happens is that someone is making a new profile for a DVD using an existing profile and changing the relevant fields, but forgets to change the EAN (as it's in a different part of the program). So, the reviewers usually don't accept the new profile on the basis that it was likely someone that forgot to change the EAN when altering the original profile.
I get that a lot with Spanish/Portuguese releases that share EANs.


This is where you lose me. Why would someone have to change the EAN if we're talking about sharing one and the same EAN?


I think Skywatcher means that the reviewers sometimes assumes that the contributor based the a new profile on an old one but forgot to change the EAN and for that reason don't accept it even though it is a perfectly valid submission.
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Thanks, Ulf, that makes sense if the source profile has a different EAN, but he was talking about sharing EANs (as in the case of Nordic releases, Benelux releases and possibly Iberian releases) - and then, by definition, there's no need to change it. 

I also think Patsa is right that it is common to forget to change the Locality (rather than EAN).
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