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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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To me principals are the same as supervisors. They all are the head of their department and therefore I enter both main and separate film editors as well as supervising crew and regular crew.

The phrase in the rules is a limiting phrase. It limits the acceptable credits to principal editors credited together. If the rule was to include all editors, there would be no need for the phrase.
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Good description, james.

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The phrase in the rules is a limiting phrase. It limits the acceptable credits to principal editors credited together. If the rule was to include all editors, there would be no need for the phrase.

That maybe true, but how do we supposed to know which of the editors are the principal ones? They are all credited simply as editors. I'm not going to pass judgement on credit positions.
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The phrase in the rules is a limiting phrase. It limits the acceptable credits to principal editors credited together. If the rule was to include all editors, there would be no need for the phrase.

That maybe true, but how do we supposed to know which of the editors are the principal ones? They are all credited simply as editors. I'm not going to pass judgement on credit positions.

You have to make that judgment. The rule calls for it. In most modern films, the principal editor is credited in the opening credits whereas the other editors are credited in the end credits.
...James

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Martin:

You have nothing to judge as James has noted and as I have stated the Ruels spell it out for you, all you have to do is follow and stop trying to come with various means to justify a position which is clearly against the Rules. A Film Editor in the beginning credits and one in the end credits are NOT credited TOGETHER as the Rule spells out, therefore the one credited for profiler at this time is Opening credit Editor. What you want to do oocally as always is up to you.

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Very well said James.  Your logic, and reasoning, is dead on. 
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Good to know from this point forward, but I do not intend to review any of my DVDs to make sure I haven't added as "Film Editors" people credited as the OP explained things.  If someone audits a DVD which has a profile online with these "other than principal" editors listed -- and decides to delete them -- I hope he shows something in his notes about the opening credit/end credit thing being supported by the rule.  Because to me, a film editor is a film editor -- regardless of whether the credit is in the opening or end credits.  The latter aren't credited as "subordinate" editors any more than the former is credited as "principal" editor -- so without any evidence to the contrary, my limited knowledge of film credits doesn't give me a good clue that there's a difference (other than maybe the amount of money the crewperson got paid for his efforts).
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Hm, yes, this is a subtlety in the rules that escaped me.  I expect I've credited some people who are credited as film editors, but I have no idea who or what movies I've done that in.    I thought that was distinguishing between people credited as editor and others credited as assistants, etc.
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If someone audits a DVD which has a profile online with these "other than principal" editors listed -- and decides to delete them -- I hope he shows something in his notes about the opening credit/end credit thing being supported by the rule.

That is what i do.  I don't run into this often but when i do i'll remove the "secondary" editors and explain why, referencing the Rules.  It's never been an issue.

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Because to me, a film editor is a film editor -- regardless of whether the credit is in the opening or end credits.

The placement of credits is apparently important to those in the industry and we use that placement in ordering our credits but who knows which of them actually did the work.
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