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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAndrew Timson
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I'm told that the current standard for episode numbering in TV box sets is "Episodes X-Y", where X/Y are the episode numbers within the season.

However, this doesn't always work; there are several boxed sets with episodes from multiple seasons. Off the top of my head this includes Sports Night (both seasons) and The X-Files: Mythology (boxed sets of selected "important" episodes, about fifteen per set). A Google search for "complete first and second season" reveals at least a half-dozen more.

So: obviously the "standard" is flawed, or at least incomplete, as has been expressed to me. So is there more to the standard than I've been told? Or is this something that needs to be developed?
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Well Sports night takes care of itself as each episode has it's own number (numbers 1-45) 

I checked my X-files: XYZ sets (I have 3)  and they are not done at all. They simply say disc1, disc2 etc.

The Star Trek: XYZ: Fan Collective sets are all over the place.

Star Trek: Time Travel: Fan Collective
Disc 1: TOS #021, TOS #028. TNG #163, TNG #218
Disc 2: TNG #226, TNG #227, TNG #747
Disc 3: DS9 #480, DS9 #503, VOY #176, VOY #177
Disc 4: VOY #828

Star Trek: Q: Fan Collective is set up the same way as "Time Travel".


Star Trek: Borg: Fan Collective
Disc 1: Regeneration/Q Who/Best of Both Worlds I and II
Disc 2: I, Borg/Descent I and II/Scorpion I
Disc 3: Scorpion II/Drone/Dark Frontier
Disc 4: Unimatrix Zero I and II/Endgame

The "Klingon" one is the same format as the "Borg" one listed above.


The latest one, "Captain's Log" is set up by series:
Disc 1: Star Trek: The Original Series
(etc.)


So I guess you have come across something that needs to be addressed, or we can keep doing them on a case by case basis. I haven't seen a lot of ping-ponging with the sets I have.

On the other hand, standard shows, like Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: The Complete First Season ( ) should follow the "standard" format like "Episodes 1-3" etc.


BTW - Welcome to the forum. Nice first post. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAndrew Timson
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Well Sports night takes care of itself as each episode has it's own number (numbers 1-45) 

Would you say the same for a set with the first two seasons of a show, but (unlike Sports Night), subsequent seasons coming later?

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On the other hand, standard shows, like Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: The Complete First Season ( ) should follow the "standard" format like "Episodes 1-3" etc.

*whistles innocently*

Depending on what's decided for nonsequential sets, I still might suggest that we should change things, if we can have one standard that works for everything. But, that can wait.

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I can but try.
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That is nowhere to be found in the rules:
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TV Series on DVD
Disc IDs
Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.


So my contributions have labels in this format to assist users when downloading disc-id profiles:
X-Files: Season 1: disc 1
to
X-Files: Season 9: disc 7
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Is it possible that Andrew was asking how "Episodes" should be numbered in the Dividers?

"I'm told that the current standard for episode numbering in TV box sets is "Episodes X-Y", where X/Y are the episode numbers within the season."

If so then the Episode dividers should be:-

1. <episode title / number>
2. <episode title / number>
3. <episode title / number>

for each disc, when the next disc is inserted back to number 1. <episode title / number> etc.

Hence
Season <x>
Disc 1
1. <episode title / number>
2. <episode title / number>
3. <episode title / number>

Disc 2
1. <episode title / number>
2. <episode title / number>
3. <episode title / number>

etc

Season 2
Disc 1
1. <episode title / number>
2. <episode title / number>
3. <episode title / number>

etc.

Steve
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If you talking dividers:
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Enter the episode number and title in the divider that marks the beginning of that episode's credit list. The divider should be formatted as "1. Episode Title", or "Episode 1" if no title is available.

Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown. If all episode titles are entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. If the episodes are listed with quotes around each title, exclude the quotes.

If the DVD or DVD packaging specifically numbers the episodes, use that number in the divider. Otherwise, episodes are to be numbered sequentially in the order that they appear on the DVD(s) in the set, with the number sequence carrying over from disc to disc. Do not number non-episodic features such as movies or alternate cuts unless they are given specific numbers on the DVD or DVD packaging.


  • Enter the episode number and title in the divider that marks the beginning of that episode's credit list
  • If the DVD or DVD packaging specifically numbers the episodes, use that number in the divider. Otherwise, episodes are to be numbered sequentially in the order that they appear on the DVD(s) in the set, with the number sequence carrying over from disc to disc.


  • if these instructions are followed this would be the divider for x-files season 1 episode 1:

    1x79 Pilot
    the only discusion left over would be 1x79 or 1x79. (as it is not mentionned there, so it is not required and I left it out)
    Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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    Is it possible that Andrew was asking how "Episodes" should be numbered in the Dividers?

    No, he is asking about the entries in the "Disc Info" tab. I know that because I recommended opening a thread about this topic after a PM discussion with him.

    He tried to add disc infos for the Blu-ray release of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: The Complete First Season", using the format "Episodes 1x01-1x03". I gave him a "No" vote and explained to him that the convention is to use "Episodes 1-3" for single season boxes (this has been discussed several times in the forum) but had no idea what to use for multi season sets.
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    but had no idea what to use for multi season sets.

    IMHO, multi-season sets should be set up as box sets, with child profiles for each set - thereby eliminating this issue. Unfortunately, the rules on this say that the box set rules can be applied instead of should be applied, and as long as that isn't fixed, there are going to be people trying to cram it all in one profile, leading to issues such as this one... 
    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
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    Quoting T!M:
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    but had no idea what to use for multi season sets.

    IMHO, multi-season sets should be set up as box sets, with child profiles for each set - thereby eliminating this issue. Unfortunately, the rules on this say that the box set rules can be applied instead of should be applied, and as long as that isn't fixed, there are going to be people trying to cram it all in one profile, leading to issues such as this one... 


    How do you recommend we deal with the examples I posted above?

    Quoting lyonsden5:
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    Star Trek: Time Travel: Fan Collective
    Disc 1: TOS #021, TOS #028. TNG #163, TNG #218
    Disc 2: TNG #226, TNG #227, TNG #747
    Disc 3: DS9 #480, DS9 #503, VOY #176, VOY #177
    Disc 4: VOY #828



    Star Trek: Borg: Fan Collective
    Disc 1: Regeneration/Q Who/Best of Both Worlds I and II
    Disc 2: I, Borg/Descent I and II/Scorpion I
    Disc 3: Scorpion II/Drone/Dark Frontier
    Disc 4: Unimatrix Zero I and II/Endgame


    Or do we simply take them on a case by case basis (which is OK by me)
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAndrew Timson
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    IMHO, multi-season sets should be set up as box sets, with child profiles for each set - thereby eliminating this issue.

    If you're talking about the "multiseason sets" with multiple individual boxes shrinkwrapped together, or maybe even in an outer sleeve, that makes sense.

    But for ones where you can't further subdivide them--where you have a box with one digipak (or whatever choice of packaging) containing discs from multiple seasons, either sequentially (two short seasons packaged together) or not (a selection of "important" episodes), that doesn't seem like a good solution. Or at the very least, a complicated one, because it's not how "normal" season sets are handled.
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    Quoting TigiHof:
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    Is it possible that Andrew was asking how "Episodes" should be numbered in the Dividers?

    No, he is asking about the entries in the "Disc Info" tab. I know that because I recommended opening a thread about this topic after a PM discussion with him.

    He tried to add disc infos for the Blu-ray release of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: The Complete First Season", using the format "Episodes 1x01-1x03". I gave him a "No" vote and explained to him that the convention is to use "Episodes 1-3" for single season boxes (this has been discussed several times in the forum) but had no idea what to use for multi season sets.



    In that case I would recommend Andrew either download or at least preview:-
    Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 1: 883929040568 (R1)
    Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 1: 883929033188 (R1)
    which are for the same title nut for the SD version.

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    Quoting Andrew Timson:
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    IMHO, multi-season sets should be set up as box sets, with child profiles for each set - thereby eliminating this issue.

    If you're talking about the "multiseason sets" with multiple individual boxes shrinkwrapped together, or maybe even in an outer sleeve, that makes sense.

    But for ones where you can't further subdivide them--where you have a box with one digipak (or whatever choice of packaging) containing discs from multiple seasons, either sequentially (two short seasons packaged together) or not (a selection of "important" episodes), that doesn't seem like a good solution. Or at the very least, a complicated one, because it's not how "normal" season sets are handled.

    That I agree with.

    Quoting lyonsden5:
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    How do you recommend we deal with the examples I posted above?

    I'm afraid I'm just not sure about these - I'd almost consider myself "lucky" in that I don't own any such set. I'd indeed try to deal with those on a case by case basis, and then try to make use of whatever the cover art, disc art and DVD menus show. If nothing helpful is available, I might still consider using simply "Episodes 1-4" and so on - they may not be episodes one to four of that particular show, but they are episodes one to four of that particular DVD-set...
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    Why would one require episode info in a disc-id profile title?
    All the information is in the profile it self.
    This information is sufficient for you to now you need this disc or not:
    Series: season 1: disc1

    I see that this is in the online:

    Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: Season One: Disc 1

    I would have shortend the one to 1

    My idea? you only need this information once, for downloading if you are after the disc-id profiles.
    Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAndrew Timson
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    My idea? you only need this information once, for downloading if you are after the disc-id profiles.

    Since TSCC comes in one keep-case, I'm not convinced that having child profiles is appropriate, any more so than having child profiles for the Main Feature and Bonus Features discs of a two-disc movie.

    But even if it is, I thought that you can't have disc-id profiles for Blu-ray, there being no way to generate disc IDs at present?
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    You're correct that the current release version doesn't support Blu-ray IDs. It is in the beta 3.5 but contribution isn't currently possible.
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    Quoting Andrew Timson:
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    Since TSCC comes in one keep-case, I'm not convinced that having child profiles is appropriate

    Since this is a TV series it is actually allowed to have disc-level profiles.

    If you "add by title" with filter to region 1, locality US and the title "Terminator: The S" you'll find both the season pack as well as the three discs - at least for DVD.
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