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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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I completely disagree... because it isn't that clear. It isn't something got voted down on such and such profiles so we know not to do it for the rest. Not everyone has all DVDs... so the same people will not be voting on all the profiles that a person submits. To use your example the contributor will have some profiles that people dislike the dividers. Yet on other profiles he will get people voting yes that want the dividers... and yet if he thinks well people don't want the dividers so he removes them from other profiles and get people voting no because he is removing the dividers.

That would be nothing but a  confusing system... leading to less people contributing because they don't know ahead of time what the people that own that certain profile will want. Leading to people throwing their hands up in the air and giving up because they can make no sense out of what they are supposed to do.

No... I truly believe the way it is now is a much better solution. You do all profiles per a set of rules to the best of your ability... and the people that wants it differently then what the rules calls for is free to change it locally. Now that way makes the most sense to me.
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That would be nothing but a  confusing system... leading to less people contributing


Probably some present contributors would stop, and some who stopped contributing due to present rules would come back. More or less in total, nobody can say.

We have now a problem. Kathy wrote "Is there a way to fix the problem? I'm afraid that the answer to that question is "no"." If we keep present system, I agree with Kathy, the answwer will be no. I think that to change the system can be an improvement, as history proved it on many cases.
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Yet on other profiles he will get people voting yes that want the dividers... and yet if he thinks well people don't want the dividers so he removes them from other profiles and get people voting no because he is removing the dividers.


If he is not sure, he simply does not contribute. I'm sure that if I add a missing director, this is interesting for everybody and will be voted yes. If I add a John Smith as 23th dubbing mixer, I'm not sure to interest people, so I keep it for myself. We'll have simplier profiles that are a real start for each local profile, instead of a mess of uninteresting data that most users will have to remove.
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And maybe you are right... maybe not. But whether you are right or not I still completely disagrees with the direction of your idea. Which (since you brought her into it) so did Kathy as she told you in THIS post.

I am not saying one way or the other if I think there needs to be some sort of change in the system... as I don't know for sure... depends on the ideas on what system to use.

But What I am saying is that I do not believe in... and would never push for such a system as you seem to think we need. To me it seems more like a  non-system.
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Yet on other profiles he will get people voting yes that want the dividers... and yet if he thinks well people don't want the dividers so he removes them from other profiles and get people voting no because he is removing the dividers.


If he is not sure, he simply does not contribute. I'm sure that if I add a missing director, this is interesting for everybody and will be voted yes. If I add a John Smith as 23th dubbing mixer, I'm not sure to interest people, so I keep it for myself. We'll have simplier profiles that are a real start for each local profile, instead of a mess of uninteresting data that most users will have to remove.


And what if he is doing a whole load of changes? It may be about one item like that.

I still think it is better to have as much info as possible in the online. It is much easier to remove info you are not interested in from a profile then it is to go through every disc you own and add info.

I am sorry Yves... but I just don't agree with you... and to be quite honest... I never will on this particular idea.
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and to be quite honest... I never will on this particular idea.


As on 100% of everything I wrote here in the past three years and always got negative reaction from you. It's not a reproach, just the fact that we have totally opposite views on everything that concerns the online.
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just the fact that we have totally opposite views on everything that concerns the online.

I'm sure you've noticed by now that you have a "totally opposite view on everything that concerns the online" than quite a lot of people - not just Addicted2DVD. The problem is that while you occasionally raise legitimate questions, the "solutions" that you subsequently suggest invariably work for you, not for an online database shared by thousands and thousands of users from all over the world, with different cultural backgrounds and different views on certain bits of data. We need a set of rules to get all these people on the same page. Your suggestions seem to be designed to allow you to do what you want, while blissfully ignoring the ramifications for the rest of us, and for the database itself.

Case in point: "contribute anything you want, and just let the voters decide if they want it or not" (paraphrasing your latest suggestion) sounds lovely, but surely you can understand that that doesn't exactly help to build a consistent database, right...?
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I completely agree with you on this one Tim.
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Your suggestions seem to be designed to allow you to do what you want, while blissfully ignoring the ramifications for the rest of us, and for the database itself.

You have no idea how that makes me laugh considering it's coming from someone who removes credited crew members for no reason when he "audit" the dvd from all over the world credits
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You have no idea how that makes me laugh considering it's coming from someone who removes credited crew members for no reason when he "audit" the dvd from all over the world credits

Staying on-topic is a pretty unattainable goal, for you, isn't it? I honestly don't understand why you insist on bringing your own mistakes into unrelated forumthreads like this. Nobody's interested, really. As always, but again in this particular case you're talking about, I suggest that you read the rules - if you do, you'll find that, once again, you're in the wrong, not me. But hey: why would you let the actual facts and the actual rules stand in the way of a perfectly nice smearing campaign, eh? 
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Show me where in the rules it is written that we can lie and delete credited crew members?
Is it that hard to not be condescending as usual and answer clearly in place of using insult...

It's funny but when I've checked my dvd credits the name of Spencer Gross was there as an editor as you can see here...


but maybe the credits of your copy of the canadian release of this film have vanished with the time
since as you have wrote in your note you have audited them (BTW I don't write the insult you thrown in your edited note) 

Oh and it isn't that hard to prove we own something
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It's funny but when I've checked my dvd credits the name of Spencer Gross was there as an editor as you can see here...

Sure he is. However, per the rules, we can only enter "Principal Editors listed when credited together". Well, Mr. Gross is not credited together with principal editor David Finfer, and that's why Mr. Gross can't be entered per the rules. There you are: you're wrong, and I'm right. It's that simple.

Look: as always, I'm more than happy to give you some pointers, but I just don't understand why you want to hijack a completely unrelated thread just to put your own misconceptions on display. This thread has nothing to do with 'Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey' and it has nothing to do with editors. You're only dragging this contribution debate into the forums - something Ken explicitly said not to do - because you thought you could make me look bad. And now the joke's on you - don't say I didn't warn you.
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The good old "I know more than you" attitude that you have shown previously in this thread... What is your inside knowledge that made you know that Finfer is the principal editor... Really I don't know why I bother with you when you are happy to enter second unit crew also (at least you did the correction when I mentionned it in my vote wich was quite a surprise).

Anyway it's my last word on this. You like to removed good information from the database on dvd you don't own go for it, I couldn't care less since I don't use it and I ain't the only one who do so because of user like you.
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What is your inside knowledge that made you know that Finfer is the principal editor...

The credits. You should have a look at them some time.

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Really I don't know why I bother with you

I don't know why you bother with me either. Since we both don't know why, here's an idea: why don't you stop bothering with me? Seems like a win-win situation.

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when you are happy to enter second unit crew also

I'm not. As you are well aware, there is a dispute over unit crew vs. location crew. The contribution you were referring to was a profile that already contained a unit or location crew member (your mileage may very). Rather than imposing my interpretation of the rules and removing him, I just left that existing entry untouched, and only made a different change that was needed. That was not me "happy to enter second unit crew" - instead, it was me not tinkering with existing data because I knew it to be a controversial issue. Again, nice try at making me the bad guy, but again completely false.

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Anyway it's my last word on this.

Let's hope so.

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You like to removed good information from the database on dvd you don't own

Once, again, I most certainly do not remove good information. Mr. Gross cannot be entered per the rules. As for ownership of that particular 'Bill & Ted's' disc: not that it matters, but I've got it right here in my hand. If, however, you think I'm going to go through the trouble of posting a pic with "Look I Own It" on it, then you're sorely mistaken. I'm really not going to waste my time with that.

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go for it, I couldn't care less since I don't use it and I ain't the only one who do so because of user like you.

With "go for it", you mean "go ahead and update a profile according to the rules"? Because that's what I did here, and I'm pretty sure that I'll be doing something like that sometime again, indeed.
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The good old "I know more than you" attitude that you have shown previously in this thread...

Is it necessary to discuss with T!M ? He has universal knowledge, knows that E=e in all cases without any exception, and knows editor means editor only when he has decided to agree. That allows us to have the "consistent database" he is so proud of, where ZHANG Ziyi is not Ziyi ZHANG, and François Berléand not Francois Berléand , nor François Berleand nor Francois Berleand. His ideas are brilliant, and poor users that disagree with him have just stupid ideas that do not deserve any attention.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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You will happy T!M I've uploaded an empty collection so I won't have to vote on your ego boosting contributions again

You are now the only member in my ignore list, you will be happy since it really means I won't bothering with you anymore

Feel free to do the same with me.
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