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Importing data from online resources like IMDB
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantInvisibleman
Registered: March 26, 2007
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Hmm, quick question Invisibleman, your user profile says your collection is over 4000 strong yet you have never contributed a profile to the database. If you have had (like everyone else has at some point) to enter the profile information yourself, why haven't you then uploaded it to the database?

I suspect this is more the thing you are looking for, if more users contributed those profiles they had to fill in themselves, then your hit rate when adding new dvd's would most probably be greater.


Yes, you're right, it's 4000+ and all information I got are from DVD profiler. But lot of those don't have any information on it and if I added those information mysellf, I get it from IMDB and I can't contribute those, that is against Invelos rules. Because like I said before, I'm lazy if you will, and I don't want to watch the Dvd's credit and type it all over.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantInvisibleman
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Ken (Invelos) has already stated he didn't want to use imdb data for DVD profiler. And I for one am thrilled about that. It is the last thing I would want. From doing the credits directly from the credits I see over and over again how inaccurate imdb actually is.... especially when it comes to the roles played.


This statement I was trying to look for, but couldn't find, I also asked Invelos by mail for there reply, but they don't answer me.

And what I don't understand is, that why you are thrilled about not having an option that can help. If you don't want to use it, than don't. That's why I said before as an option, if people want to use then let them and respect those that don't want to use it. And if people think it should be best not to upload/contribute those dvd's then let the program refuse to do so. This can be done by programming. But there are others that may have a different idea about this.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantInvisibleman
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The other thing is:

If IMDb really is that great
and you are using DVD-Profiler only to keep track of the films you own.

Then: Why don't you simply become premium member there?
OK, the collection wouldn't have a local component, but since you'd have cloud-features from any device with Internet access that shouldn't be that much of a problem.


I never said that IMDB is that great, I also only mentioned IMDB as an example, there are more databases out there. And yes, IMDB and others also, will have there flaws, but so does DVD profilers database.

And no I don't want a premium member because I want to have it localy, and before you ask, Yes, I paid for DVD profiler and yes, I like the possibilities of this program, but I only wanted to have an extra option inside. And if DVD Profiler will not provide me with this, then I will look for another program that will do. But I still prefer for DVD Profiler to put in an option like this, like I said, I like working with DVD profiler, ones the data is in.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
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We already have people trying to to add imdb data to profiles online...I vote no to it regularly as well as still see it in a lot of profiles when I first download it. Sure it is getting a little better then it once was.... but it still happens too much. If this option is added to DVD Profiler itself this would increase ten fold... as people will think it is in the main program it must be allowed.

There is stand alone side programs as well as (I believe) plugins that will do what you ask. So yes... I think it would be a huge mistake officially putting such a thing into the main program.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I can find a statement from 2010, couple of posts on the page.



Ken's statement


This is a stance that Ken has held for as long as I've been using the program and forum, which is since 2002 so I wouldn't hold my breat that it's going to change any time soon.

A friend of mine used a different program for a while when having problems with Profiler losing data. This program used IMDB data, he soon switch back to Profiler because the quality of data was very poor and they're ability or desire to accept user updates seemed to be pretty non-existent.

What you'll also find is those programs won't give you free updates, one of the reasons being they have to pay to use IMDB data.

As you can already do what you want locally using third party programs I really don't see what your issue is.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Having to enter the data of 4k profiles manually is something almost everyone (including myself) would shy away from.
In this regard I can understand your request.

But why not taking advantage of our own database.
Except for some rather unknown titles almost every title will be there with (hopefully) complete and correct data.

All you'd have to do is:
- Open the "Add DVD..."-dialogue
- Search by Title (preferably use the Original Title here)
- Flag "All Regions" and "All Localities"
- Download the matching title.
- Make the necessary "Tech Spec" changes
- Menu "DVD -> Change EAN" and change to "your" EAN and Locality

The advantage:
The data you will get this way is 100% Profiler compatible (not necessarily 100% correct though) and contributable.

EDIT:
Nevertheless this will still leave you with the necessity to scan the missing images and (depending on what you collect) a significantly smaller amount of profiles you'd have to create manually.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
Registered: March 14, 2007
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And make sure that you have all regions loaded on DVDP. Tools > Optios > Regions to include --> Check all of them.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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You should also note that DVDP db may not contain information about films that hasn't actually been released on DVD/Blu-ray yet (there are some pre-release profiles). I noticed that you have in your Owned collection films like "Only God Forgives" which, as far as I know, doesn't even have a DVD release date yet.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Hello Lithurge,

Thanks for this information and it seems like indeed they may have to pay some fee. But how much, it is not to say. And yes, DVD profiler offers a payble but also none payble program. So maybe Invelos can investigate this and how much they have to pay.

IMDb no longer publishes their prices but, last time I checked, back in 2010, this is what was posted on their site...

Minimum Price: We offer data licensing packages that are customized to meet your needs with annual fees ranging from $15,000 to higher depending on the audience for the data and which data are being licensed. We are not able to offer any sort of data license for less than $15,000.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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With the amount of users that DVDP have, I find it very hard to believe that the cost would be that minimum 15k.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJMGuer
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The other thing is:

If IMDb really is that great
and you are using DVD-Profiler only to keep track of the films you own.

Then: Why don't you simply become premium member there?


I'be been a "top" contributor for IMDB for 5 years now, and thus have a free premium account....(which I never use. as I always use the standard mode that everyone else uses)....and I can't see any real difference between the two ("free" vs "premium").

In my opinion, IMDB is great and probably the best online film database (another is BFI), but yeah, tons of errors (I spot them all the time), but considering the sheer volume of data that IMDB handles and that anyone can submit it, it is unavoidable. The DVD Profiler database is almost as bad....almost every film that I have entered into my collection has had errors and/or omissions in it (on DVDP database)....which is why I check every piece of info against 5-6 databaes and my own extensive notes made while I watched a film in question.

I love DVD Profiler, can't believe it took me so long to get it ...  the filter/search functions alone are worth the price.

The reason I don't contribute to the DVDP database is simply because I use it to catalog the films I have on DVD. I do not catalog the DVD (all my DVDs are store bought btw, not home burned)...so anything relating to the film gets entered, anything relating to the DVD does not...so, not worth much to most (all?) here, me thinks.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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The reason I don't contribute to the DVDP database is simply because I use it to catalog the films I have on DVD. I do not catalog the DVD (all my DVDs are store bought btw, not home burned)...so anything relating to the film gets entered, anything relating to the DVD does not...so, not worth much to most (all?) here, me thinks.


Any correct data is useful and worth submitting. Most titles I have are built up by several different people submitting different aspects of the data.

Whilst there are a number of people who will do a full audit I suspect the majority of us are partial contributors for one reason or another.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantInvisibleman
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We already have people trying to to add imdb data to profiles online...I vote no to it regularly as well as still see it in a lot of profiles when I first download it. Sure it is getting a little better then it once was.... but it still happens too much. If this option is added to DVD Profiler itself this would increase ten fold... as people will think it is in the main program it must be allowed.

There is stand alone side programs as well as (I believe) plugins that will do what you ask. So yes... I think it would be a huge mistake officially putting such a thing into the main program.


Hello Addicted2DVD,

I do understand the concerns, but that's why I was thinking, that the program itself will have a field in, that will state the actual source. If you download the data from IMDB directly, the program will know, because he is getting the data from that source itself. So when the program knows, the source is IMDB, than he will not let the data being uploaded to the database of DVD profiler. This then will prefent the problems that there now will be. Because I don't think, when this option would excist, type over the data manualy from IMDB and upload then to DVD profiler database. So the database from DVD profiler would be cleaner in the way you and others will wnat to be.

And don't get me wrong, I don't want to change DVD profilers basic, this as many has said, they don't like that and I respect that. Therefore, I suggest, to make it an option so people can choose if they want the data from IMDB directly or not. And also then DVD profiler can refuse those contributions. Surely in the optins you can then select if you want to see this possibility or not.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantInvisibleman
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But why not taking advantage of our own database.
Except for some rather unknown titles almost every title will be there with (hopefully) complete and correct data.

All you'd have to do is:
- Open the "Add DVD..."-dialogue
- Search by Title (preferably use the Original Title here)
- Flag "All Regions" and "All Localities"
- Download the matching title.
- Make the necessary "Tech Spec" changes
- Menu "DVD -> Change EAN" and change to "your" EAN and Locality

Hello Lewis,

The way uou descibe I already do like so, but still there's lesser and lesser movies/dvd's to be found, like I said before from the 17 47% are not in DVD's database, and I don't see it is getting better, but I see it is getting more worse.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantInvisibleman
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And make sure that you have all regions loaded on DVDP. Tools > Optios > Regions to include --> Check all of them.


Hello Kulju,

I also have this, I have setup DVD profiler, so I am getting all information from all regions and countries. Thanks. But still, I'm sorry but I keep repeating, don't get all dvd's/movies information, because they just aren't in the database.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantInvisibleman
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I understand that it is a collection database, but the collection is based on DVD and therefore the most part is movie information plus some extra.

Not true. I did a quick and rough calculation and one DVDP profile contains ~9 fields about the movie itself and ~25 fields that are related to that particular release. Some fields I counted as "neutral". So, this is a Collector program, not movie db.

Hello Kulju,

I think if you count the fields then you are right. But if you count all entries, as 1 (actors, crew, and all fields you've said) then I think the most part will be from the movie. But indeed if you count actor as 1 field, yes then I'm sure you're right.
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