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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've watched 3 Bond films in the past week. Is there an ammendment to the writing credits to allow Ian Fleming as OMB, even though there is no screen credit of Based on or Original Material by. just - In Ian Fleming's title.
And the only rule for possesives is for Titles.
Is this a community decision to go outside the rules. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I've watched 3 Bond films in the past week. Is there an ammendment to the writing credits to allow Ian Fleming as OMB, even though there is no screen credit of Based on or Original Material by. just - In Ian Fleming's title. The crew credit table notes that we should use OMB when the film has been, "adapted from another work." The community has been contributing OMB credits for roles other than those explicitly beginning with "Based on" or "Original Material by" for many years (e.g. "From the Novel by"; "From the Book by"; "From the Play by"; "Adapted From the Novel by"). Have you just now noticed this? --------------- |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,751 |
| | Posted: | | | | Role: Original Material By
Credited As: Original Material By, Based on ____ By
Incorrect Roles: Based on Characters By
Notes: Adapted from another work.
And when you click a role of OMB for someone it says:
Original Material By
(book, poem, song, etc.)
So the way I see it, it means pretty much based on anything. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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I've watched 3 Bond films in the past week. Is there an ammendment to the writing credits to allow Ian Fleming as OMB, even though there is no screen credit of Based on or Original Material by. just - In Ian Fleming's title.
The crew credit table notes that we should use OMB when the film has been, "adapted from another work." The community has been contributing OMB credits for roles other than those explicitly beginning with "Based on" or "Original Material by" for many years (e.g. "From the Novel by"; "From the Book by"; "From the Play by"; "Adapted From the Novel by"). Have you just now noticed this?
--------------- So it is a decision by at least you to go outside the rules. No I've noticed it before, I just like to pick the time to bring it up. There were other issues that I ranked before this one. The screen credit doesn't mention anything but "Ian Fleming's" so for years the community has been using a wide paint brush to contribute OMB. There is no reference to being adapted from a book by or any other meduim. It reads as a possesive to me, but not a possesive in a title. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
The screen credit doesn't mention anything but "Ian Fleming's" so for years the community has been using a wide paint brush to contribute OMB. There is no reference to being adapted from a book by or any other meduim. It reads as a possesive to me, but not a possesive in a title. So is it your contention that OMB credits are to be limited to only those that begin with "Based on" or "Original Material"? If so then fair enough. If not then I don't see why you're complaining. --------------- |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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The screen credit doesn't mention anything but "Ian Fleming's" so for years the community has been using a wide paint brush to contribute OMB. There is no reference to being adapted from a book by or any other meduim. It reads as a possesive to me, but not a possesive in a title.
So is it your contention that OMB credits are to be limited to only those that begin with "Based on" or "Original Material"? If so then fair enough. If not then I don't see why you're complaining.
--------------- that's what the grid for crew contributing has. There is no mention of a book, article, note in the screen credit. Not even quotation marks around the title infering that it is a book or a short story. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | And I may be just setting up a defense for a future contribution. Using the same standards that are implemented for the Bond films. Using the existing grey areas in my favor. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
that's what the grid for crew contributing has. There is no mention of a book, article, note in the screen credit.
Not even quotation marks around the title infering that it is a book or a short story. It would be easy to verify if the screen credit in your example refers to an author and another work that served as the basis for the film. IMO this would qualify the credit as OMB since it would conform with the clarifying note, "adapted from another work". I know this is a controversial opinion but the worst that could happen if I contributed such information is that it would be declined and the online profile for this disc would no longer agree with my local database. Big deal. --------------- |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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The screen credit doesn't mention anything but "Ian Fleming's" so for years the community has been using a wide paint brush to contribute OMB. There is no reference to being adapted from a book by or any other meduim. It reads as a possesive to me, but not a possesive in a title.
So is it your contention that OMB credits are to be limited to only those that begin with "Based on" or "Original Material"? If so then fair enough. If not then I don't see why you're complaining.
--------------- Problem here might be that only very few of the films are actually based on books by Fleming (OMB) for the vast majority I'd only see it as "Original Characters" (if anything at all). | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I've watched 3 Bond films in the past week. Is there an ammendment to the writing credits to allow Ian Fleming as OMB, even though there is no screen credit of Based on or Original Material by. just - In Ian Fleming's title.
And the only rule for possesives is for Titles.
Is this a community decision to go outside the rules. Since nobody answered your question, I will...there is no community decision that I am aware of. Unless there is a 'Based on' credit, he should not be included...at least not per the rules. Quote:
And I may be just setting up a defense for a future contribution. Using the same standards that are implemented for the Bond films. Using the existing grey areas in my favor. I just don't get this at all. You know it is wrong, or at least it seems you know it is wrong, so why perpetuate the error? The better choice, and one I made when dealing with similar Gene Roddenberry credits, is to correct the offending profiles. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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And I may be just setting up a defense for a future contribution. Using the same standards that are implemented for the Bond films. Using the existing grey areas in my favor.
I just don't get this at all. You know it is wrong, or at least it seems you know it is wrong, so why perpetuate the error? The better choice, and one I made when dealing with similar Gene Roddenberry credits, is to correct the offending profiles. Knowing it is wrong does not stop the community of implementing there own rules and then flipping when someone wants to do the same on other profiles. As with the Additional crew/addition company |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Knowing it is wrong does not stop the community of implementing there own rules and then flipping when someone wants to do the same on other profiles. As with the Additional crew/addition company No it doesn't, but community implemented rules are easily ignored. You and I don't always see eye to eye, and often butt heads, but if you are following the rules when you contribute and vote, it's all good. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I've watched 3 Bond films in the past week. Is there an ammendment to the writing credits to allow Ian Fleming as OMB, even though there is no screen credit of Based on or Original Material by. just - In Ian Fleming's title.
And the only rule for possesives is for Titles.
Is this a community decision to go outside the rules. It's more likely to be OCB, which has no credited as or incorrect roles listed in the grid, so it's pretty much wide open to use IF you think that you can back it up. And I think Mr. Bond by Mr. Fleming is pretty much as legit as you can get in this case... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
It's more likely to be OCB, which has no credited as or incorrect roles listed in the grid, so it's pretty much wide open to use IF you think that you can back it up. And I think Mr. Bond by Mr. Fleming is pretty much as legit as you can get in this case... I agree, OCB is the way to go with this one...if one wants Ian Fleming listed in the profile. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 554 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rather old thread, but I haven't been participating in these boards as much lately and I'm just seeing this now (probably because it's in the wrong forum).
(Name of Actor) as James Bond in Ian Fleming's (Title) -> Original Material By
(Name of Actor) as Ian Fleming's James Bond in (Title) -> Original Characters By
Factually, that's just the way it is. Whether it's contributable by the rules is another matter.
Personally, I side with using common sense when it comes to possessives. If it's well known that an author wrote the work or created the characters the movie/show is based on, and the filmmakers saw fit to credit their name, why not include them? I imagine the producers had faith people were smart enough to work out William Shakespeare's role when they put "William Shakespeare's Hamlet" in the opening titles. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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