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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is there a common sense about the listing of the costume designer(s)?
From my point of view this should be the one/the group who designed the costumes or wardrobe. Not the one who sewed it, nor the one helping the actor putting it on.
The contribution rules don't make any differces between
• Costumes [by],
• Costume Supervisor,
• Gowns [by],
• Wardrobe [by],
• Wardrobe Designer,
• Wardrobe Supervisor
Should any credit of the above be listed in the crew section, or should only the first one get the honor?
Example: From my experience, in many films there is a costume designer who is credited in the opening credits. In the costumes section of the end credits there are many people listed in a long list of costumers lead by a costume supervisor. In this case - but not only this one - the costume supervisor may be anything in between a costumer and a manager - but he is far away from the artistical work of a costume designer... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
the costume supervisor may be anything in between a costumer and a manager - but he is far away from the artistical work of a costume designer... You're absolute right, and these concerns have been raised - but never addressed - from day one. This thread from 2009, in the Contribution Rules Committee, is a good read. That was six years ago, and nothing ever happened. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | I - and many others - don't have access to the contribution rules thread. Could you please disclose the relevant information? | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
I - and many others - don't have access to the contribution rules thread. Could you please disclose the relevant information? It's a litte difficult to copy and paste three pages of discussion into this thread. There's nothing spectacular there - suffice to say that it serves to show that the same concerns that you're raising now were also raised six years ago, but nothing ever happened. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
... the same concerns that you're raising now were also raised six years ago, but nothing ever happened. How does the rule settig work? There should be at least any outcome - ie. improvement to the written rule set - after six years: Either the clarification that only the first credit for a possible costume designer should be listed or - the other way round - the clarifiation which credits shall be listed... Do you have any idea why this was clarified for the sound department but not for the art department? | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Should any credit of the above be listed in the crew section, or should only the first one get the honor? Should they be listed? Different people will give you different answers. Some people think they should and others think they shouldn't. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on which side you are on, it doesn't really matter because the rules say they can be listed. As T!M said, this was discussed six years ago and a new rule was proposed. Only Ken knows why he chose not to take action. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
How does the rule settig work? Someone suggests a rule change, discussion is had, a new or updated rule is proposed and voted on, Ken decides whether or not to implement the new rule. Quote:
There should be at least any outcome - ie. improvement to the written rule set - after six years: Either the clarification that only the first credit for a possible costume designer should be listed or - the other way round - the clarifiation which credits shall be listed... There was an outcome...Ken chose not to change the rule...and we already have the other way around...any and all of the credits in that box can be listed. While it's not elegant, that is how it works. If Ken approves of the rule change, it gets implemented. If he doesn't, the thread just dies. Quote:
Do you have any idea why this was clarified for the sound department but not for the art department? Ken rarely shares the 'why' behind his decisions. He will if it is a controversial change, but for something like the sound clarification, he usually doesn't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,852 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
From my point of view this should be the one/the group who designed the costumes or wardrobe. Not the one who sewed it, nor the one helping the actor putting it on. We actually could put a lot of these issues to rest if Ken would let us contribute Custom Roles so people could see which credited people they want to keep and which ones they don't. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
We actually could put a lot of these issues to rest if Ken would let us contribute Custom Roles so people could see which credited people they want to keep and which ones they don't.
--------------- Indeed. I have been asking for this for quite some time now. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm of the opinion that costume credits should be treated similar to sound. If a designer is credited, then supervisors shouldn't be credited. If no designer and only supervisor(s), then they count. Of course I have no idea if this is correct, but it makes sense to me.  |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
I'm of the opinion that costume credits should be treated similar to sound.
If a designer is credited, then supervisors shouldn't be credited. If no designer and only supervisor(s), then they count.
Of course I have no idea if this is correct, but it makes sense to me. It doesn't make any sense to not include a Sound Supervisor when a PSM is credited. One is a location recordist and the other is in the studio for post production, supervising all aspects of post sound work. We include Supervising - Art Directors, Makeup artists, Sound Editors, Sound Designers, Special, Visual and Digital FX. |
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