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New LG OLED 4K 3D TV
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Slowly learning. I am now totally sold on 4K UHD. My LG 4K TV plays all the sample videos I can find with stunning results. So I bought a couple of 4K UHD discs.

I can't afford the Oppo yet, but I thought I would get by with my el-cheapo iVid 4K upscaling all-region 3D Blu-Ray player. Nope! Did you see what was missing? UHD Blu-Ray!!!!

So, buyer beware. You can have 4K players that still don't support UHD Blu-Ray. This maybe is not news to you guys, but it was to me. I confirmed that the iVid in fact does support 4K upscaling and output - and it really looks good. But it will not recognize a UHD Blu-Ray disc. I could play the Suicide Squad Blu-Ray in upscaled 4K, but I could not play the UHD disc. I know it was 4K because I had to connect the player directly to my TV - my a/v receiver would not pass it through.

I have been surprised that my existing HDMI cables, so far, have worked with 4K content. What am I missing?

Now, once I get the Oppo, what to do? I think I want to get a 4xHDMI switch and plug all my native 4K devices into it (I will have 2), plus the output of my receiver, which will be upscaled for playing into the TV.

Any other ideas on strategy for adapters and interconnection of mixed 4K / 1080P setups?

On to the Xbox .... darn it, I got the XB1 before I was smitten with 4K - now I have to budget a change to the "S". Will I live long enough to ever catch up ....

One other question: Is 4K UHD 30HZ support good enough, or do I need to always look for 60HZ in cables and adapter type products?
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30Hz is good enough for UHD movies. Maybe not so good for video games and future format extensions.
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30Hz is good enough for UHD movies. Maybe not so good for video games and future format extensions.

Thanks. My head is spinning. I was looking at that all-region Oppo. Man is it expensive. But then I thought about the fact that it has an HDMI input with upscale, plus streaming apps, SMB, DLNA and USB playback.

So, I would not need to immediately upgrade my a/v receiver - just plug it into the Oppo input. And all streaming and LAN based media would come natively through the Oppo to the TV. I think that solves my switching and compatibility issues and I can sell off a bunch of other stuff to offset the cost.

Just thinking out loud in case somebody else is going thru the same thought process - or if somebody has another cool idea ...
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A 4K upscaling player was never going to give you a true 4K signal. The word "upscaling" indicates that its source material has a lower resolution, usually blu-ray (i.e. full HD).

The Oppo comes with a good HDMI cable.

Ace of Seven is right that 30Hz is good enough for UHD movies with a 24p frame rate. However there are also UHD discs with a frame rate of 60Hz. And then - to make your head spin just a bit more - there are also various chroma subsampling types and
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These all have an influence on the HDMI bandwidth you will be needing. The Oppo provides extensive settings options to control these. If you find you need different HDMI cables, go for premium certified ones (18 Gbps) - they should work.

The Oppo is still a work in progress with its firmware updates. From what I've read on specialized forums, the HDMI input does not yet work flawlessly. However I'm sure Oppo will get it sorted at some point.

Moreover, it has proven to be quite difficult to get various combinations of equipment to work together flawlessly in terms of HDMI handshakes and other compatibility issues. UHD/HDR is still in its infancy and things need to be ironed out.

Anyway: do let us know how you're getting on! 
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BTW the Oppo does NOT have streaming apps like Netflix, Vudu and YouTube. But surely your LG TV has those on board already.

And your LG will upscale any lower resolution content it is fed to 4K (otherwise the signal wouldn't fill the screen), so your receiver can be connected directly to the TV for that (NOT for native 4K content though!). The question is more: which machine does a better job of upscaling: your TV or your iVid player. The Oppo should provide excellent upscaling.
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If your receiver is a concern, look at Samsung UBD-K8500. Much cheaper and has dual outputs and streaming apps. There are a couple disadvantages, like it doesn't have Oppo's ability for custom zoom modes for non-anamorphic DVDs, but it may do you fine.
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I so appreciate your comments. Especially the heads up about the emerging standards and HDMI issues. I'll proceed carefully. Thanks! Oh, and I did run across the Samsung and it caught my attention. Glad to know you also think it is worthy.

And yes I see I got carried away ... Oppo deos not have the APPS and the 2nd HDMI port is audio only, so I still won't have a 4K projector connection without a splitter or upgraded receiver. Suddenly the Oppo is not looking like the panacea I was envisioning.
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AFAIK there are no UHD blu-ray players with two full-fledged HDMI video outputs. From what I've seen, it's always one HDMI out for video and one for audio.

Don't worry about not having the apps on the Oppo. Your TV already has them (go to the LG Content Store in your TV's WebOS to find them), and if you don't like LG's version of them you can always connect a Google Chromecast, Roku stick or whatever.

Instead of the Samsung you might also want to consider the Panasonic models, e.g. the Panasonic DMP-UB700. Personally I would prefer that over the Samsung.

You could also wait for the new LG UHD blu-ray player which is to be released soon. Like the Oppo and unlike the Samsung or Panasonics, it will support the Dolby Vision variant of HDR, like your TV does. On my LG OLED, Dolby Vision HDR produces better, more balanced results than HDR10, the "standard" HDR variant, which is still a bit hit and miss.
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BTW you're mentioning a 4K projector. Now I'm not familiar with those, but AFAIK 4K projectors often do not do HDR, which means you would need a 4K UHD signal without the HDR. The Oppo has an experimental feature to strip the HDR metadata from the 4K UHD output, so you can have the full 4K UHD signal without the HDR. I don't think you'll find that on the other players. Could be something else to consider.
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Wow, good info. I ave always liked Epson projectors in terms of value for the money. I can't afford the big boys (e.g. Sony), but Epson gives great results for the price and is often rated more highly in some parameters than more expensive models. I have the Epson 5020ube. I get rave reviews on movie night. Bright and clear since 2013. I can rotate my head back and forth between the Epson and my LG and not be disappointed at the difference. So bright I can watch a movie during the day without lowering all my room darkening shades (but I never do it - I'd rather look at outside nature during the day!).

My hope is to get the new Epson 5040UB with HDR and "4K Enhancement." I can't afford a true 4K projector in the same quality class as the Epson. And nobody has a brighter picture. And very few with better black levels. The reviews I've read give the "4K Enhancement" high marks for coming very close to true 4K as far as the human eye can tell.

BTW, I do use the LG smart apps. Sorry I gave the impression that I didn't know about them..

(But you have sent me back to Google with the comment about HDR - head spinning again.)
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3 weeks ago I bought this at Best Buy for $249.99 and 3 6' plus chocolate cables for $139.99 each and 1 3' plus chocolate cable for 99.99. A week and a half ago, they dropped the price of the player to $229.99. The remote leaves a lot to be desired, but the output is excellent. The upscaling for 3D is incredible.
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3 weeks ago I bought this at Best Buy for $249.99 and 3 6' plus chocolate cables for $139.99 each and 1 3' plus chocolate cable for 99.99. A week and a half ago, they dropped the price of the player to $229.99. The remote leaves a lot to be desired, but the output is excellent. The upscaling for 3D is incredible.

Yeah, a darn good product it seems. My ideal would be that, with HDMI input, all-region, plus two full HDMI output. When you find THAT one, please let me know!!!   
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And here's something about the upcoming LG player. As I mentioned, unlike the Samsung it does support Dolby Vision HDR, which your TV supports as well.

All UHD players will provide an excellent 3D signal - it's the display that is decisive for the quality of the 3D experience.

For a read-up on the different tastes of HDR out there, go here
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And here's something about the upcoming LG player. As I mentioned, unlike the Samsung it does support Dolby Vision HDR, which your TV supports as well.

All UHD players will provide an excellent 3D signal - it's the display that is decisive for the quality of the 3D experience.

For a read-up on the different tastes of HDR out there, go here
or here.

Once again, good info. I see LG is in the sweet spot of the Venn diagrams for HDR. Whew! 

I've almost decided on Phase 1 of my march towards 4K, but before I do, I have another question: Is there any difference / advantage / disadvantage of presenting a 1080P signal to a 4K enabled display such as the LG vs upscaling beforehand? I mean, doesn't that TV essentially upscale the picture itself? Is there any advantage to upscaling the picture with some other device before presenting to the TV?
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Yeah, AFAIK LG is planning a firmware update to bring the HLG variant (relevant once HDR broadcasts get started) to its 2016 models. HDR10 and Dolby Vision are already supported by your TV (and mine).

Regarding your question: it depends on which machine has the best upscaling algorithms. No way to be certain beforehand, unless you can try it out in a store and see for yourself which looks best. LG TVs are pretty good, but I would expect the Oppo to be better, especially with old DVD's i.e. with standard definition content, which requires a LOT of upscaling to fill a 4K screen. I couldn't tell you whether other players will be better or worse than your TV in doing the upscaling.
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Yeah, a darn good product it seems. My ideal would be that, with HDMI input, all-region, plus two full HDMI output. When you find THAT one, please let me know!!!   


I don't think any player is likely to do this. You'll have to rely on a receiver for this kind of feature.
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