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Correct way to enter complete tv series? (Child profiles)
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I've noticed a few cases where complete series has individual seasons entered via disc id and the complete season listed in just that one disc id profile. Instead of what I would assume would be the more accurate way that each disc would be entered via disc id.

Such as Knight Rider: Blu-ray edition. UPC #683904632593
It has just 4 child profiles entered via disc id method (No UPC code for the individual cases). All cast and crew is entered for an entire season on just one disc id.
But each disc id child has the Disc IDs listed for that individual season within it.

Is this the corrected method, or should each disc contained within the set be entered via the disc id method?
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No, DiscID are for single discs only. It is wrong to add other structures using a single diskID -> Discussion...
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..., or should each disc contained within the set be entered via the disc id method?

Yes, season profiles are allowed only if the season is individuall packaged AND uses its own UPC/EAN - see the last note on this screen
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Is this the corrected method, or should each disc contained within the set be entered via the disc id method?

It makes perfectly sense to enter the seasons individually with the disc ID when they are packaged in individual cases, like different movies in a boxset, but unfortunately this is not covered by the rules.
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Is this the corrected method, or should each disc contained within the set be entered via the disc id method?

It makes perfectly sense to enter the seasons individually with the disc ID when they are packaged in individual cases, like different movies in a boxset, but unfortunately this is not covered by the rules.

It makes perfect sense to you, however, it does not make perfect sense to everybody.
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It makes perfectly sense to enter the seasons individually with the disc ID when they are packaged in individual cases, like different movies in a boxset, but unfortunately this is not covered by the rules.

Exactly. It actually even *was* covered by the rules, but that rule was later changed - that explains why there are still a lot of these in the database.

The changed rule is no problem for those that use those optional disc-level profiles, but not ideal for the vast majority that don't - with "vast majority" judged from the fact that the same changes to parent and child profiles consistently result in many, many more votes on the parent profile than on those optional disc-level child profiles.
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Exactly. It actually even *was* covered by the rules, but that rule was later changed - that explains why there are still a lot of these in the database.

I'm sorry, but this simply isn't true...or at the very least, is a little misleading.

TV Series Child Profiles were added to the rules in 2007.  Prior to that, they weren't allowed.  What was allowed, was treating complete series sets like movie box sets.  As with normal movie box sets, if the individual season didn't have a UPC, the disc ID was used to create the parent.  This was not spelled out in the TV Series rules, it was just common practice.

The minute child profiles were added to the rules, Ken made his statement that "disc-level profiles should have content only from that disc."

Not allowing disc level profiles, from the very beginning, is the real reason there are still a lot of disc ID based parent profiles in the database.
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What was allowed, was treating complete series sets like movie box sets.

That's exactly what I was referring to. This *used* to be the correct way to handle complete series TV sets, and that practice was later changed. That's all.
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Is this the corrected method, or should each disc contained within the set be entered via the disc id method?

It makes perfectly sense to enter the seasons individually with the disc ID when they are packaged in individual cases, like different movies in a boxset, but unfortunately this is not covered by the rules.

It makes perfect sense to you, however, it does not make perfect sense to everybody.

It is just logical. But logic is not for everyone.
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Is this the corrected method, or should each disc contained within the set be entered via the disc id method?

It makes perfectly sense to enter the seasons individually with the disc ID when they are packaged in individual cases, like different movies in a boxset, but unfortunately this is not covered by the rules.

It makes perfect sense to you, however, it does not make perfect sense to everybody.

It is just logical. But logic is not for everyone.


Au contraire, it is completely illogical to have a DiscID based profile containing other discs, like in this example:



If the seasons do not have each their own UPC/EAN, the only way to abide by the rules is a single profile containing all discs and all cast and crew. The profile can optionally be a boxset with child profiles, one per disc.
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If the seasons do not have each their own UPC/EAN, the only way to abide by the rules is a single profile containing all discs and all cast and crew. The profile can optionally be a boxset with child profiles, one per disc.


Besides you could run into trouble when for example profiling the age rating. For example, in Germany and the UK every disc has their own rating. Which is based on the content of that disc. But what if the first disc has a lower rating than another disc in the season? If you use the DiscID as a season profile, you suddenly start to give this DiscID-based profile a different rating than what is actually printed on it.
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I have a better example, maybe you'll get it then.

The TV Show "Entourage" (not the US release):
All seasons have their individual case, only season 7+8 have an EAN, because they were released earlier. According to the rules you would have Season 1-6 on disc level (childs) and Seasons 7+8 as parents with disc profiles (childs) and the box (grandparent). And all the info in the box profile, or would it just be the info for Season 1-6? That looks really good. 

The seasons have different features, different audio tracks (some have French DTS 5.1, some French DTS 2.0, some have commentary tracks, some don't). If you have all that info in the profile for the box, it might fit for one or another season but not for all. If you keep the smallest denominator, it is not complete. Either way you can't win!

I know, you just would put everything into one profile even if the seasons have different details and the set in the Profiler would not look like the one on the shelf.

I really would understand it if all discs are in one package, like the "Friends" album or the US "Entourage" set or, for God's sakes, the "Breaking Bad" barrel with individual trays, but not when the seasons have individual (keep) cases with their own cover art.
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If the seasons do not have each their own UPC/EAN, the only way to abide by the rules is a single profile containing all discs and all cast and crew. The profile can optionally be a boxset with child profiles, one per disc.


Besides you could run into trouble when for example profiling the age rating. For example, in Germany and the UK every disc has their own rating. Which is based on the content of that disc. But what if the first disc has a lower rating than another disc in the season? If you use the DiscID as a season profile, you suddenly start to give this DiscID-based profile a different rating than what is actually printed on it.

I am not sure what your point is. Wigram does not want season profiles using the ID of the first disc in that season. But, if you create a season profile you usually take the rating from the case not the first disc. The box in Germany or the UK always has the highest rating. One episode is rated 18, 11 are rated 16, box has "18" printed on it. So you won't have a problem at all.
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I know, you just would put everything into one profile even if the seasons have different details and the set in the Profiler would not look like the one on the shelf.


This is what the rules ask us to do. I didn't say I liked it.

I understand the frustration when each season is its own case. But it there is no UPC/EAN on that case, you cannot group the discs under the base of the first disc DiscID, per rules. What you can do is create a one child profile for each disc. This way you can profile every different details between discs.
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I know, you just would put everything into one profile even if the seasons have different details and the set in the Profiler would not look like the one on the shelf.


This is what the rules ask us to do. I didn't say I liked it.

I understand the frustration when each season is its own case. But it there is no UPC/EAN on that case, you cannot group the discs under the base of the first disc DiscID, per rules. What you can do is create a one child profile for each disc. This way you can profile every different details between discs.

Last time we had this conversation it sounded a bit different.

It is not really frustration but it does not feel right. Several keep cases in a slip case or box look and feel like a box set. That's why I'm only submitting profiles for single season releases, when there is no EAN/UPC on each case, and keep my season based profiles in a box completely locked.

But that's only a solution for me personally, of course. It has no value to the community and everyone who likes it this way has to do it all by him/herself. We should thank the labels which just put all the previous single releases with EAN/UPC into a complete box set! 
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Is this the corrected method, or should each disc contained within the set be entered via the disc id method?

It makes perfectly sense to enter the seasons individually with the disc ID when they are packaged in individual cases, like different movies in a boxset, but unfortunately this is not covered by the rules.

It makes perfect sense to you, however, it does not make perfect sense to everybody.

It is just logical. But logic is not for everyone.

No, it is not 'just logical', as other people feel it is 'just logical' that the disc ID belongs to the disc and not the case.

What is or isn't 'just logical', depends on your personal preference...which, if I remember correctly, is why Ken attempted to clarify this in the rules. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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