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Special appearance and guest appearance credit
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNosferatu
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I've often seen (and contributed) these appearances with putting "Himself" or "Herself", (Curb Your Enthusiasm has many people credited as such) but wanted to see if there was a consensus. What you think the role should be for a credit like this, where the person has appeared as themselves?

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Him-/herself because it is international and universal.
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If they appear in the film as themselves then Himself/Herself/Themselves, plus in this case a "Special Performance by" group divider.

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If they appear in the film as themselves then Himself/Herself/Themselves, plus in this case a "Special Performance by" group divider.

If it's just one person, then it's not a group, so no group divider.
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If they appear in the film as themselves then Himself/Herself/Themselves, plus in this case a "Special Performance by" group divider.

If it's just one person, then it's not a group, so no group divider.

Agreed. A group divider would be unnecessary and messy in the credits.

In this case, it's just whether Common should be credited as Himself, Special Appearance by, or nothing. Currently, the profile doesn't have a role for him.
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I'm going to have to go with other on this one.

A special appearance by (say) Patrick Stewart doesn't mean he's playing himself.  Neither does it mean he's playing Picard. 

Quite a few actors appear in Curb Your Enthusiasm playing themselves (Ted Danson, for example), but others (like Steve Coogan) appear playing a specific character.  I think the credit is very specific to the character being played, and I don't think a single rule will cover everything.
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I'm going to have to go with other on this one.

A special appearance by (say) Patrick Stewart doesn't mean he's playing himself.  Neither does it mean he's playing Picard. 

Quite a few actors appear in Curb Your Enthusiasm playing themselves (Ted Danson, for example), but others (like Steve Coogan) appear playing a specific character.  I think the credit is very specific to the character being played, and I don't think a single rule will cover everything.

This is very true. I'm thinking specifically of cases when an actor or celebrity makes a guest appearance as themselves, not a variation of themselves or obviously playing a specific role.

However, when looking at a show like Extras, someone like Kate Winslet is playing a version of Kate Winslet, but is still credited as 'Herself'.
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If it's just one person, then it's not a group, so no group divider.

That's obviously not how Invelos see things, as they have approved a multitude of group dividers for song titles where there is only one song writer.

The rules regarding dividers say, "these groupings should mirror the film credits", and "Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as 'Soldiers' or 'Additional Cast'."  This certainly falls into the category of additional cast.

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Wouldn't it look a little silly to have a list of names and then a group divider saying "Special Performance by" followed by one name and then other cast members after the end divider?
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Wouldn't it look a little silly to have a list of names and then a group divider saying "Special Performance by" followed by one name and then other cast members after the end divider?

From my point of view, this would be a complete abuse of group dividers. There is no essential information (like the company names in visual effects dividers, or the song title in the music credits) and they would not group anything.

Next step would be a group divider for the single word and or with which precedes the last or next to last name of the stars:
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I wholeheartedly agree with AiAustria. The same line of reasoning has even led to people entering stuff like "Make-up Artist to Mr. De Niro" into a group divider... It's a very slippery slope.
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From my point of view, this would be a complete abuse of group dividers. There is no essential information (like the company names in visual effects dividers, or the song title in the music credits) and they would not group anything.

You took the words right out of my ... fingers(?) - No meaningful information, just "noice".
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Wouldn't it look a little silly to have a list of names and then a group divider saying "Special Performance by" followed by one name and then other cast members after the end divider?

It may, but it would "mirror the film credits", which is what The Rules say to do.

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From my point of view, this would be a complete abuse of group dividers.

How can following the rules be an abuse of the rules?

The rule on dividers explicitly says:
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Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".

Special Appearance by is at least as "essential" as Additional Cast.

And don't suggest that one cannot be a group, because Invelos has approved far too many group dividers for song titles with a single author for me to buy that argument.

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From my point of view, this would be a complete abuse of group dividers.

How can following the rules be an abuse of the rules?

The rule on dividers explicitly says:
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Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".

Special Appearance by is at least as "essential" as Additional Cast.

And don't suggest that one cannot be a group, because Invelos has approved far too many group dividers for song titles with a single author for me to buy that argument.

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The rule on dividers explicitly says:
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Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".

Special Appearance by is at least as "essential" as Additional Cast.

I think that "Additional Cast" is a bit of a red herring. When do we ever see "Additional cast"? In my experience it is only in TV movies where we have major cast listed in the opening credits and the rest of the cast listed, under "Additional Cast", in the end credits. Therefore, in my opinion,  "Additional Cast" has a special significance. It's not a sign than anything goes.
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