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| Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
First, it is not a rule, just something Ken allows. Second, us pointing out that Ken allows it doesn't mean we agree with it. LOL  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
This is quite interesting considering past discussions on using a central database for cast and crew under the assumption that they should be the same because it's the same movie, was strongly disagreed with...
It was? It's been a standard request for years by many users. Of course any such implementation should also incorporate a system for handling exceptions (other than local) for films with non-identical film credits but that's hardly an objection, just stating an obvious minimum requirement. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Thing is Ken supports it completely. And it's a huge error on his part who had turn his database in something less reliable than imdb is. It isn't for nothing if some user don't trust the database anymore and prefer to do anything themselves... but why go to perfect when we can please the lazy contributors (I talk of those who clone without checking) and induce a lot of errors... edit : just a typo correction | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see a problem with it, in fact I think it's a good thing as long as there are safety guards in effect, which is the voting process. As long as it is identified in the notes. It'd be better to have one entry for each movie, or more if credits are indeed different depending on region/release. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
I don't see a problem with it, in fact I think it's a good thing as long as there are safety guards in effect, which is the voting process. Wich doesn't work as I can see almost everyday in the blind voting in the process or in complete illogical non-sense as we have seen for the german profile of The Artist (just to name a recent exemple). | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | No system is perfect. And I'm sure you can find examples of any rule or process contributing to bad results. But I would tend to agree with you about the voting process, on my contributions, especially Canadian profiles, I rarely get more than a handful of votes. If films were combined into one single profile for credits then there would be much more control over such changes. I'm sure it's a huge undertaking to change the system so drastically, but hopefully it's being considered at some point. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
If films were combined into one single profile for credits then there would be much more control over such changes. I'm sure it's a huge undertaking to change the system so drastically, but hopefully it's being considered at some point. Exactly! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Thing is Ken supports it completely.
And it's a huge error on his part who had turn his database in something less reliable than imdb is. It isn't for nothing if some user don't trust the database anymore and prefer to do anything themselves...
but why go to perfect when we can please the lazy contributors (I talk of those who clone without checking) and induce a lot of errors...
edit : just a typo correction  Exactly! |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | To stay on-topic. Funny is the fact that in some cases the prefixes in job titles doesn't seem to matter and in this case it does? The only thing I know for sure is that the rules tell us to include Visual Effects Supervisors. | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
If films were combined into one single profile for credits. Why doing that when imdb does that already? DVDP profile the disc not the movie. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
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If films were combined into one single profile for credits.
Why doing that when imdb does that already? DVDP profile the disc not the movie. Because, hopefully, we'd do it correctly. IMDB is not accurate and in many cases barely resembles the actual credits. We could, with some effort on the part of the users, a database that is accurate to the film credits; but still has all the cross-linking. |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thing is....
The rules want you to verify all the cast/crew as per the credits...
BUT, you are allowed to copy from an existing entry..
and, you are allowed to contribute to profiles which you don't own a physical copy.
Thus, in reality, these 2 groups - the group that says everything should be verified by the credits and this copying stuff and updating unowned profiles is not right, and then the group that says that the release basically has the same cast and crew anyway so it should all be the same (with maybe exceptions for some differences).. well... the whole point of both these groups of people are in reality pointless.
Rules and guidelines have been given by Invelos, we should actually be all working to make the best result out of those rules and guidelines rather then still arguing over which way is the right way. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
we should actually be all working to make the best result out of those rules and guidelines rather then still arguing over which way is the right way. As long as there are people arguing about the meaning of the word "Only" it will be very hard to achieve this. The problem will be to find out what is "The Best" if a multitude of interests is involved. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
Thing is....
The rules want you to verify all the cast/crew as per the credits...
BUT, you are allowed to copy from an existing entry..
and, you are allowed to contribute to profiles which you don't own a physical copy. I don't want to sound like a prick but what Ken can say on the forum had no value as long as it isn't written in the rules. The users following the forum are a small minority of the users and they rely on the rules to contribute, so for them and for me "not in the rules" equals forbidden. If something is official it's written if it isn't this isn't official. If you need to do a google advanced search to find something this is far from being an official politics. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
The rules want you to verify all the cast/crew as per the credits...
BUT, you are allowed to copy from an existing entry..
and, you are allowed to contribute to profiles which you don't own a physical copy.
If the first part has been followed, it follows that the second and third would be allowed since they rest on safe ground. I guess it depends on how much you trust other users. Sure, I could profile every movie myself, but then what is the point of the user built database? Somewhere we have to allow for trust. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
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Except for one small problem. It has been proven that credits can and do vary across regions and localities both in order and substance. So copying profiles which cannot be verified as correct. By the contributor should not be allowed EVER in my book. If you don't own what you are changing it should be STOP go no further, but Ken. Has ruled this is ok, at least until someone can verify it for accuracy. <shrugs> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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