Quoting Battling Butler:

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hey AcS, no matter how many time you say it, or plead with us to believe (because the all-knowing AcS says it's so) ................ the HiDef format war ain't over:


http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6434506.html

HD DVD set-top players top 100K sold

Blu-ray has edge with PlayStation 3s consoles in market
By Jennifer Netherby -- Video Business, 4/17/2007

APRIL 17 | Consumers have bought more than 100,000 HD DVD set-top players in the U.S. since the format’s introduction a year ago, the HD DVD Promotional Group said today.

That doesn’t include sales of HD DVD PC drives or the Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on drive.

HD DVD is the first high-definition format to surpass the 100,000 milestone on set-top players. However, there are substantially more Blu-ray Disc players in the market because of the PlayStation 3. Blu-ray players weren’t introduced until late June, giving HD DVD a head start.

The PlayStation 3 edge has given Blu-ray movie sales a more than two-to-one sales lead during the first few months of the year. But HD DVD sales continue to grow, and more manufacturers plan to produce players on the format.

Toshiba was the first manufacturer to release HD DVD players. Earlier this year, LG Electronics released a dual HD DVD/Blu-ray player, and Samsung has announced plans to release its own dual-format player later this year.

Chinese manufacturers are expected to begin producing lower-cost HD DVD players later this year.

Starting at $599, HD DVD set-top players cost about half of most Blu-ray stand-alone players. Toshiba reduced the price of its bottom-line HD DVD player to $499 on April 1 to spur more sales.

"Toshiba remains committed to drive sales with strategic pricing and marketing to complement the rapid market adoption of HDTVs," said Jodi Sally, VP of marketing for Toshiba America Consumer Products. "Retailers are showing a significant increase in sales volume this month so far. On Amazon.com, our HD DVD players continue to rank among the Top 10 bestsellers of all DVD players, which says a lot about how consumers relate to price."

With such titles as The Complete Matrix Trilogy coming in May from Warner Home Video and more than 70 new titles expected to be released before the end of July, HD DVD owners will have more than 300 titles worldwide to choose from this summer, with more to come in the fall and holiday seasons. (See a full list of titles coming to HD DVD and Blu-ray.)

I never say it was over.  I said Blu-ray is "winning".  That is different.  Please try to be as accurate as you possibly can.

Congrats to HD DVD on 100,000 standalone players having been sold!
But, do you realize that HD DVD selling 100,000 standalone players is not the bigger picture?  It's just a piece of the picture.  The bigger picture is HD DVD projected 1.8 million or more players sold by the end of the year to compete with the 5 to 6 million projected amount of Blu-ray players.  According to the sales rate of HD DVD players, even saying 350,000 players being sold at the end of the year may be pushing it.  That's another piece of the bigger picture.  Yet, one more piece of the bigger picture is this.  Even with HD DVD selling 100,000 standalone players they haven't outsold Blu-ray even during the course of a week this year, yet (no less a month).

On a side note:  Did you know that Toshiba is making Blu-ray drives?

Who has controlling interest in TSST?  Toshiba.

There are currently no companies that Sony has controlling interest in making HD DVD drives.

From the bigger picture, can you honestly say that Blu-ray isn't "winning" between these two formats?

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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I never say it was over.  I said Blu-ray is "winning".  That is different.  Please try to be as accurate as you possibly can.

Congrats to HD DVD on 100,000 standalone players having been sold!
But, do you realize that HD DVD selling 100,000 standalone players is not the bigger picture?  It's just a piece of the picture.  The bigger picture is HD DVD projected 1.8 million or more players sold by the end of the year to compete with the 5 to 6 million projected amount of Blu-ray players.  According to the sales rate of HD DVD players, even saying 350,000 players being sold at the end of the year may be pushing it.  That's another piece of the bigger picture.  Yet, one more piece of the bigger picture is this.  Even with HD DVD selling 100,000 standalone players they haven't outsold Blu-ray even during the course of a week this year, yet (no less a month).

On a side note:  Did you know that Toshiba is making Blu-ray drives?

Who has controlling interest in TSST?  Toshiba.

There are currently no companies that Sony has controlling interest in making HD DVD drives.

From the bigger picture, can you honestly say that Blu-ray isn't "winning" between these two formats?

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

Quoting graymadder:

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A_S,
What is your point? You keep posting all this factual data that supports your hypothesis that blu-ray will be the winner in the HD format war, but it seems that you are failing in whatever you are attempting to do with your posts.

Are you trying to convince people that Blu-Ray is better?
Are you trying to say that HD-DVD is a bad choice?
Are you trying to let everyone know how well you stay informed with up to the minute stats on Blu-Ray?

I'm not letting others be pulled in by the misinformation pushed by the pro-HD DVD crowd.  The ones that are upset were lost to the misinformation provided by from the HD DVD team long ago.  As I continue to say, I don't post the truth for them.  BTW, I stay on HD...period.  Those were Universal stats.  They aren't on the BDA.

I think you should turn around and ask these questions to team HD DVD as well.  That would be very neutral of you.

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It seems that you need to change your tactics. All you are doing is pissing people off.

There is no real tactic when you are providing facts about the two formats.  Those people lay out information that does not consider the bigger picture...then I provide the bigger picture.  Facts tend to piss people off if they refuse to except them.  Unfortunately, that's the price of denile.

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I am not trying to bash you because that's stupid, but what I've been trying to figure it is what exactly you are trying to do or say.

Like I have said on many occassions, I am here to prevent misinformation from being spread by certain people.  People can not make an informed choice about anything without both sides being presented.  This is a fact.  This site has been a safe haven for misinformation about Blu-ray for quite some time, but not any longer.

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You can force feed people all the stats that you want, but stats rarely change people's mind.

Are you drawing that conclusion based on the reactions of same 5 people that always post lude comments after my posts?

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This is what I have gained from your numerous posts in this forum and at Invelos:

You are pro PS3 and the 360 is not a rival.
You are pro Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is inferior.
Blu-Ray is winning the format war and thus it will prevail as the HD format.

Please don't argue semantics because that is a circle that will not end.

Since you have said that I have been posting facts, then you must have drawn those conclusion from those facts I have provided.

In the facts I have previously posted, I don't remember pointing to any facts about the 360 not being a rival of the PS3.  Could you  provide those posts to me that lead you to that conclusion?

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If you put people on the offensive they have but only two choices defend or concede.

This is true.  People usually defend when being attacked.  If the facts are attacking them, they are already on the wrong side.

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Quoting graymadder:

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A_S,
What is your point? You keep posting all this factual data that supports your hypothesis that blu-ray will be the winner in the HD format war, but it seems that you are failing in whatever you are attempting to do with your posts.

Are you trying to convince people that Blu-Ray is better?
Are you trying to say that HD-DVD is a bad choice?
Are you trying to let everyone know how well you stay informed with up to the minute stats on Blu-Ray?

I'm not letting others be pulled in by the misinformation pushed by the pro-HD DVD crowd.  The ones that are upset were lost to the misinformation provided by from the HD DVD team long ago.  As I continue to say, I don't post the truth for them.  BTW, I stay on HD...period.  Those were Universal stats.  They aren't on the BDA.

I think you should turn around and ask these questions to team HD DVD as well.  That would be very neutral of you.

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It seems that you need to change your tactics. All you are doing is pissing people off.

There is no real tactic when you are providing facts about the two formats.  Those people lay out information that does not consider the bigger picture...then I provide the bigger picture.  Facts tend to piss people off if they refuse to except them.  Unfortunately, that's the price of denile.

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I am not trying to bash you because that's stupid, but what I've been trying to figure it is what exactly you are trying to do or say.

Like I have said on many occassions, I am here to prevent misinformation from being spread by certain people.  People can not make an informed choice about anything without both sides being presented.  This is a fact.  This site has been a safe haven for misinformation about Blu-ray for quite some time, but not any longer.

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You can force feed people all the stats that you want, but stats rarely change people's mind.

Are you drawing that conclusion based on the reactions of same 5 people that always post lude comments after my posts?

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This is what I have gained from your numerous posts in this forum and at Invelos:

You are pro PS3 and the 360 is not a rival.
You are pro Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is inferior.
Blu-Ray is winning the format war and thus it will prevail as the HD format.

Please don't argue semantics because that is a circle that will not end.

Since you have said that I have been posting facts, then you must have drawn those conclusion from those facts I have provided.

In the facts I have previously posted, I don't remember pointing to any facts about the 360 not being a rival of the PS3.  Could you  provide those posts to me that lead you to that conclusion?

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If you put people on the offensive they have but only two choices defend or concede.

This is true.  People usually defend when being attacked.  If the facts are attacking them, they are already on the wrong side.

Finally!  Get to Blah, blah, blah, blah again

Quoting 8ballMax:

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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Quoting graymadder:

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A_S,
What is your point? You keep posting all this factual data that supports your hypothesis that blu-ray will be the winner in the HD format war, but it seems that you are failing in whatever you are attempting to do with your posts.

Are you trying to convince people that Blu-Ray is better?
Are you trying to say that HD-DVD is a bad choice?
Are you trying to let everyone know how well you stay informed with up to the minute stats on Blu-Ray?

I'm not letting others be pulled in by the misinformation pushed by the pro-HD DVD crowd.  The ones that are upset were lost to the misinformation provided by from the HD DVD team long ago.  As I continue to say, I don't post the truth for them.  BTW, I stay on HD...period.  Those were Universal stats.  They aren't on the BDA.

I think you should turn around and ask these questions to team HD DVD as well.  That would be very neutral of you.

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It seems that you need to change your tactics. All you are doing is pissing people off.

There is no real tactic when you are providing facts about the two formats.  Those people lay out information that does not consider the bigger picture...then I provide the bigger picture.  Facts tend to piss people off if they refuse to except them.  Unfortunately, that's the price of denile.

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I am not trying to bash you because that's stupid, but what I've been trying to figure it is what exactly you are trying to do or say.

Like I have said on many occassions, I am here to prevent misinformation from being spread by certain people.  People can not make an informed choice about anything without both sides being presented.  This is a fact.  This site has been a safe haven for misinformation about Blu-ray for quite some time, but not any longer.

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You can force feed people all the stats that you want, but stats rarely change people's mind.

Are you drawing that conclusion based on the reactions of same 5 people that always post lude comments after my posts?

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This is what I have gained from your numerous posts in this forum and at Invelos:

You are pro PS3 and the 360 is not a rival.
You are pro Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is inferior.
Blu-Ray is winning the format war and thus it will prevail as the HD format.

Please don't argue semantics because that is a circle that will not end.

Since you have said that I have been posting facts, then you must have drawn those conclusion from those facts I have provided.

In the facts I have previously posted, I don't remember pointing to any facts about the 360 not being a rival of the PS3.  Could you  provide those posts to me that lead you to that conclusion?

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If you put people on the offensive they have but only two choices defend or concede.

This is true.  People usually defend when being attacked.  If the facts are attacking them, they are already on the wrong side.

Finally!  Get to Blah, blah, blah, blah again

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That still has not been confirmed, yet.  I wasn't going to post anything concerning that rumor unless it was no longer a rumor.  Personally, I don't think there is much merit to this although it did come from a reputable German news source.  Even if it is true, it would probably be denied until Universal was ready to make such an announcement.

More than likely, Universal will stay an HD DVD exclusive at least 'til the end of the year.  Then, the BDA will have another crack at them.  Since Universal only has 11% of the High-Def market and Warner Bros.(being somewhat neutral) has 27%, Universal has already started thinking about the position they are in.  Warner Bros. admits that 60 to 70% of their HD income comes from Blu-ray.  If anyone remembers, Warner Bros. and Paramount were originally HD DVD exclusives before any HD players hit the market.  Then, they decided to be (somewhat) neutral studios.

A lot really depends on how things shake out by the end of the year.

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That still has not been confirmed, yet.  I wasn't going to post anything concerning that rumor unless it was no longer a rumor.  Personally, I don't think there is much merit to this although it did come from a reputable German news source.  Even if it is true, it would probably be denied until Universal was ready to make such an announcement.

I saw that news story yesterday and I'm shocked that you didn't jump on it. 

Seriously, just as soon as I think I'm ready to jump into HD DVD, something comes along to make me pause again.  If there's any truth to this rumor, even I must admit it would be foolish to buy into HD DVD.  But dammit, I want that Toshiba player.  If nothing else, it's supposed to be the finest upconverting player to hit the market to date in that price range.  But if Universal caves, that's pretty much all it would be good for.

So there is a BD player with awesome upscaling?  I don't keep up with that side as much and haven't heard this before.

Also the HD-XA2 and HD-A20 are not equal in terms of upscaling from what I've heard.  Only the XA2 has the better processor in it.  TheA20 should be the same as the A2 in that regard.

As for the 1080p/24, that's nice and all.  But in reality, almost no one has a TV that will accept and display 24fps.  My TV (Samsung HL-S5687) is 5 months old and has 1080p, but doesn't have 24fps.  From what I understand, there weren't even any at CES except for one or two exceptions.  By the time I have a TV that will display 24fps, it will be time for a new player anyway.

Anyway, reports are now saying that Universal is denying that rumor.