The example of the Finnish title is one that isn't quite exact.  After all, we can reproduce that since it exists using Western characters.  We can't do the same with Asian ones.

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I'll give you an example, a movie lets say "She's All That" is released here (Finland) it is localised as "Sinussa on se jokin" The opening has the title in English, yet we, finnish users still prefer our own title to be used. Up comes a fellow called Trinitron (among with hes, i'm guessing, 100's of aliases) and changes the title and overview to English. We all know how much work people have gone through to force the correct information in. What you are suggesting, is that he, all along was right. Because apparently English is "defacto international language", so the rest of the happy funtimeing world should stop speaking with the only language they use in daily life and start speaking english, cause there just might be a guy like xradman buying DVD's from that country.

I am sick and tired of this topic popping up on behalf of you, I have requested an "alternative title" field, i dont remember you doing the same. Stop trying to bend the rules for your preferences, and go to the feature request area and ask an option for the title you seem to need.

Whispering,

Please do not get angry. First of all this is a hobby for all of us and there is no reason to get personal. I've probably spent way more time here already than I should have. But let me try to clear up any misunderstanding.

First, Finnish DVD of "She's All That" is an American movie sold in Finland. So it has no bearing on our discussion. Presumably the main title would be "Sinussa on se jokin" (correct title for locality) and original title would be "She's All That". I don't think this is too hard to understand, and if there is a troublemaker causing havok with Finnish DVDs, then that is unfortunate.

The issue is with Finnish DVD of a Finnish movie. I had to go on Google and search for Finnish movie to come up with this. Let's say that there is a Finnish DVD of "Kuutamosonaatti", a movie released in Finland in 1988.  The movie is also known by it's international title of "The Moonlight Sonata" according to the Finnish film archive (http://www.sea.fi/english/cinema.html). 

What is so offensive about entering "Kuutamosonaatti" as the main title and "The Moonlight Sonata" as an alternative title (in the original title field per proposal that I outlined earlier)?  Before you have a heart attack, this is only an example and I am not going to change anything at this time, until this is blessed by Ken and the DVDP community

Entering the title as you describe would be fine if you were talkin about Region 5 Locality Korea, but you are talking about something which is basically locality United States, which speaks English, We have Canada divided into the two localities they have one French and one English, it would be inappropriate for someone from Quebec(French) to try to impose the French language data on the Canada (English) area. Same is true here, you reside in the US, i don't care what language might be native to you, the Rules are suitable to the US, not to Muslims, Mexico, France or anywhere else, the Locality is US. And as I have said before continually trying to bend the program to specific cultural proclivities is simply not going to work. I would NOT buy a DVD from Region 5 Locality South Korea and expect to be able to Contribute the information in English, I would probably keep the data locally English, but the Loacality South Korea should be in the language of the area. I presume my friends from Region 2 Locality UK would probably deal in a similar fashion with something they might acqire from Region 2 Japan. I am sorry xradman what you want can be done but it has to remain local.

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Entering the title as you describe would be fine if you were talkin about Region 5 Locality Korea, but you are talking about something which is basically locality United States, which speaks English, We have Canada divided into the two localities they have one French and one English, it would be inappropriate for someone from Quebec(French) to try to impose the French language data on the Canada (English) area. Same is true here, you reside in the US, i don't care what language might be native to you, the Rules are suitable to the US, not to Muslims, Mexico, France or anywhere else, the Locality is US. And as I have said before continually trying to bend the program to specific cultural proclivities is simply not going to work. I would NOT buy a DVD from Region 5 Locality South Korea and expect to be able to Contribute the information in English, I would probably keep the data locally English, but the Loacality South Korea should be in the language of the area. I presume my friends from Region 2 Locality UK would probably deal in a similar fashion with something they might acqire from Region 2 Japan. I am sorry xradman what you want can be done but it has to remain local.

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Skip,

I have no idea as to what you are talking about???

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In this case even the current rules require both languages in the original title field (or, if the same as the cover, the main title field) because the title is composed by both parts. For clarification of the graphical layout (two lines) a dash could be used to combine both parts. We see a lot titles matching this pattern as (translated) main titles in the German locality (e.g. Dune - Der Wüstenplanet).

Are you sure about that? My recollection on that matter is, that was something that the German community decided to do against the strict interpretation of the rules. The official rules specifically prohibits multiple language in title as shown below.

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If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).

Let me try to explain from a different angle, xradman. Since much of my life these days is wrapped up in politics in Wash. D.C. You are wanting to have profiles treated differently within Region 1 because you are a native Korean. It's kind of like moving to the United States and trying to demand the population learn to speak Korean in order to communicate with you...that isn't going to happen obviously. As I have explained, were I purchasing a Region 5 Korea film, for Contribution purposes I would NOT be demanding that Region 5 users follow me, I would be following the Rules as they apply to Region 5, which means the data Contributed should be in Korean, I suspect. I would definitely keep my local data on that title in English but I would not Contribute the English data, which is what you are wanting to do here by my understanding. I am sorry but that is simply wrong-headed thinking on your part, and to make matters worse you come across as if you are PERSONALLY offended that we don't bend to your will, as you said this is a hobby roll with it and stop trying to make demands, which is the way your approach hits me. You aren't making a request, you are making a demand and expect us to bow to you on it.

If I have misjudged you, I apologize, but you have discussed this now for two years and from Day One this is how I have seen what you are saying.

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Are you sure about that? My recollection on that matter is, that was something that the German community decided to do against the strict interpretation of the rules. The official rules specifically prohibits multiple language in title as shown below.

Yes, I' am sure about the German part. It is not a descision against the rules. It is something else than the bilingual covers of the Quebec locality which happen to list two titles in different languages. The German title officially consists of two parts separated by a dash. The first part may actually be in English even though it is not the original title.

E.g. "The Ref" is called "No Panic - Gute Geiseln sind selten" and "The Hudsucker Proxy" is called "Hudsucker - Der grosse Sprung"

German marketing guys have funny ideas.

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German marketing guys have funny ideas.

Yeah, for example "The Village - Das Dorf" which backtranslated means "The Village - The Village". Happens all the time.

For that matter whe are "geniusses" in translating:

en - de - backtranslated
Die Hard - Stirb Langsam - Die Slowly
The Rundown - Welcome to the Jungle - ...
Craddle 2 the Grave - Born2Die - ...
Pirates of the Carribean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - Fluch der Karabik - Curse of the Carribean (don't even ask about Part 2 and 3)


And my new "favourite"

Live Free or Die Hard - Stirb Langsam 4.0