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| Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
My last post was specifically directed to Grendell. That is why I quoted him. He is also not the only person who advocated piracy. Everyone, please download and use as much warez as possible every day! If for no other reason than to make Lord Of The Sith mad!  | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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My last post was specifically directed to Grendell. That is why I quoted him. He is also not the only person who advocated piracy.
Everyone, please download and use as much warez as possible every day! If for no other reason than to make Lord Of The Sith mad! This is twice that you have advocated piracy in one thread and this time you're doing it outright. I hope the powers that be are paying attention and I hope they ban you. | | | | Last edited: by Lord Of The Sith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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My last post was specifically directed to Grendell. That is why I quoted him. He is also not the only person who advocated piracy.
Everyone, please download and use as much warez as possible every day! If for no other reason than to make Lord Of The Sith mad!
This is twice that you have advocated piracy in one thread and this time you're doing it outright. I hope the powers that be are paying attention and I hope they ban you. I think this is what Grendell was referring to.... | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | The jackassery of this forum never fails to amuse me. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
This is twice that you have advocated piracy in one thread and this time you're doing it outright. I hope the powers that be are paying attention and I hope they ban you. You really live in your own little world, don't you? | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
The jackassery of this forum never fails to amuse me. Agreed. Isn't it known that EULAs are different and specific to the product? Some licenses are transferrable - others are not. Some allow multiple use and/or multiple platforms, others do not. Simple: Read the EULA, If don't abide by it, you are in violation of it. Whether that is determined to be "piracy" is a matter for the courts. Making blanket statements about a mechanism with so many variables is a bit naive. | | | Thanks for your support.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Making blanket statements about a mechanism with so many variables is a bit naive. I would like to think that those of us that made 'blanket statments' actually have read the EULA's we're talking about. I know when I installed Microsoft Office I was agreeing that I was only using it on one machine and that if I wanted to install it on a different one then I would uninstall from the first machine. Maybe for those of you that can't read between the lines we should have said "In our experience, the EULAs we have seen....blah blah blah" Either way, the attitude of some people here is that piracy - be it of a program or other media - is ok; and that we should stop policing it. Well, those people are not worth my time or effort. Steal my stuff and I'll prosecute you. It's that simple to me. Whether EULAs, licenses or other stuff comes into it is besides the point...the principal of the matter is that piracy is theft and that some of us take that seriously. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
...the principal of the matter is that piracy is theft and that some of us take that seriously. Well we agree on that one. The tricky bit is whether all EULA violations constitute piracy. I guess you are saying they do. I'm not so sure. Your point is that in the case of the specific software you mentoned, you think it is. Point taken. | | | Thanks for your support.
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | I never made a blanket statement. I specifically said, "in the United States," which is my venue and where the OP is from. The MS Office EULA is no different in Washington, than it is in New York or Arizona. This the EULA agreement for office:
http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/itg/sites/default/files/userfiles/file/Microsoft_Office_EULA.pdf
1.1 YOU may install. This means the purchaser.
1.5 Paragraph 2. YOU MAY NOT.
If you agree to EULA you agree to all of these stipulations and you install the software. MS offers you the chance to back out for a FULL refund if you are not willing to agree.
If you agree to EULA and then give away licenses you are violating EULA and effectively stealing the software. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Either way, the attitude of some people here is that piracy - be it of a program or other media - is ok; and that we should stop policing it. Well, those people are not worth my time or effort. I haven't seen anybody express that attitude. What I have seen is people disagreeing with your opinion that violating an EULA constitutes piracy. Are you really that arrogant as to believe your opinion is the only valid one. Quote:
Steal my stuff and I'll prosecute you. It's that simple to me. Who, exactly, threatened to steal your stuff?  Quote:
Whether EULAs, licenses or other stuff comes into it is besides the point... It is not besides the point as that, not stealing your stuff, was the topic of the discussion. Quote:
the principal of the matter is that piracy is theft and that some of us take that seriously. I don't believe anybody claimed otherwise. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
If you agree to EULA and then give away licenses you are violating EULA and effectively stealing the software. Violating? Yes. Stealing? Sorry, but I don't believe you can steal something you payed for. I know you don't agree, and that's fine. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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If you agree to EULA and then give away licenses you are violating EULA and effectively stealing the software.
Violating? Yes. Stealing? Sorry, but I don't believe you can steal something you payed for. I know you don't agree, and that's fine. I don't know how or why you are not getting this. When you buy Office with a three use license you are buying it for YOURSELF. Not to give away, not to sell. It is for three of YOUR computers. The second you give the license away it is stolen. Say whatever you want to justify your position. You are wrong. MS will tell you it is piracy and US courts will tell you it is piracy. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just my 2 cents:
I understood the original poster that he was asking for a spare license, which the potential donor was not using anymore. Technically that cannot be an OEM license as that one is bound to the installed computer!
When I was young and without the required resources I was not free of guilt, but now I always make sure that all my software is licensed, including whether it is free for private use only or alo commercially (if I intend to use it at work). | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,639 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting mediadogg:
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Making blanket statements about a mechanism with so many variables is a bit naive.
I would like to think that those of us that made 'blanket statments' actually have read the EULA's we're talking about.
I know when I installed Microsoft Office I was agreeing that I was only using it on one machine and that if I wanted to install it on a different one then I would uninstall from the first machine.
Maybe for those of you that can't read between the lines we should have said "In our experience, the EULAs we have seen....blah blah blah"
Either way, the attitude of some people here is that piracy - be it of a program or other media - is ok; and that we should stop policing it. Well, those people are not worth my time or effort.
Steal my stuff and I'll prosecute you. It's that simple to me. Whether EULAs, licenses or other stuff comes into it is besides the point...the principal of the matter is that piracy is theft and that some of us take that seriously. In the US, at least, Microsoft allows you to install one copy of the software on one device (a.k.a the licensed device) however they also allow you to install an additional copy on one portable device to be used by the primary user (a.k.a the portable device). Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
I never made a blanket statement. I specifically said, "in the United States," which is my venue and where the OP is from. The MS Office EULA is no different in Washington, than it is in New York or Arizona. This the EULA agreement for office:
http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/itg/sites/default/files/userfiles/file/Microsoft_Office_EULA.pdf
1.1 YOU may install. This means the purchaser.
1.5 Paragraph 2. YOU MAY NOT.
If you agree to EULA you agree to all of these stipulations and you install the software. MS offers you the chance to back out for a FULL refund if you are not willing to agree.
If you agree to EULA and then give away licenses you are violating EULA and effectively stealing the software. That EULA is a bit old as that PDF was created in 2005 so it's probably for Office 2003. You can download the current EULA for Office 2010 from Microsoft via: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-software-license-terms-for-microsoft-office-2010-HA101817777.aspxYou can find the appropriate EULA for any of Microsoft's software by using this link: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/UseTerms/default.aspx | | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Too much pontificating for my tastes...I'm out. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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