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Not popular when compared to another format?  I am not comparing VCD to DVD or any other format when I say that it is popular.  I say "popular' as in if you mention it to just about anyone, they know what it is and where to get it (in much the same way one would refer to a 'popular" or well-known person.  It doesn't mean that "popular" person has been in your house.).

Did you guys know cruise missiles where popular in Europe?

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they know what it is

Check, we see them in the news everytime there is a war on somewhere

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and where to get it

I would actually have said "no", people do generally speaking not know where to get them. But then, I have never heard of anyone here who knows where to get a VCD either (actually I DO know where to buy the cruise missile as it is a lot easier to find on the internet, so it must be a lot more popular).

If anyone wonders where to get the cruise missile, go here: http://www.raytheon.com/products/tomahawk/

Unfortunately it seems there is no web form where you can fill in "delivery" coordinates and credit card info.

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That seems to be very true.  I don't believe anyone is talking about or doubting DVD sales (definitely not me).  But, you have confirmed that people can get VCDs where I said they could.  That's all we are going for here.

You must thing we have a short memory.  That is not 'all we are going for here."  You made a claim earlier that, and I quote, "VCDs seem to be popluar in China, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, India, Sri Lanka, the Middle East (including the U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia), U.K. and Canada to name some countries."

'Popular' and 'available' are two completely different concepts.  I guess that is lost on you. 

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Welcome to the world of Ascended_Saiyan JonM.  In his world he knows more than anyone.  He has better knowledge than you do because he has visited the area.  The fact that you actualy LIVE in that area means nothing. 

Thank you for putting words in my mouth.  You seem to do that a lot.  That's very mature of you.

You are the one who likes to put words in people's mouths...or have you forgotten that you like to read what people don't say instead of what they actually say? 

Besides, I didn't put words in your mouth, I described your general attitude.  Here you had a guy that lives in the UK and you were telling him he was wrong about what was and wasn't popular in his country.  You tried to belittle his knowledge by claiming he probably never went to certain parts of his own country.  Only after he told you that he actually lived in that particular part of the country did you change your tune from 'these are popular, you don't know what you are talking about' to 'all I was saying was people can get them.'

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Did you guys know cruise missiles where popular in Europe?

You had to have missed the following statement (giving you the context in which I'm referring.  You understanding of that context you have not shown in your quote above.).
"in much the same way one would refer to a 'popular" or well-known person."

Would you refer to a missle in much the same way you refer to a person?  Is that logical?

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I would actually have said "no", people do generally speaking not know where to get them.

Then, it does not fit by your own admission.

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I have never heard of anyone here who knows where to get a VCD either

I guess you missed the following statement from JonM where he said you COULD get them it the places I mentioned.

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(actually I DO know where to buy the cruise missile as it is a lot easier to find on the internet, so it must be a lot more popular).

Then go pick one up. 

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If anyone wonders where to get the cruise missile, go here: http://www.raytheon.com/products/tomahawk/

Unfortunately it seems there is no web form where you can fill in "delivery" coordinates and credit card info.

So, have you realized yet that knowing where things are MADE and where they are SOLD are usually two completely different things.  Then again, maybe you pick up your movies from Warner Bros. or Universal. 

Can we get back on subject people?  I tell you...misdirection at it's best/worst!

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That seems to be very true.  I don't believe anyone is talking about or doubting DVD sales (definitely not me).  But, you have confirmed that people can get VCDs where I said they could.  That's all we are going for here.

You must thing we have a short memory.  That is not 'all we are going for here."  You made a claim earlier that, and I quote, "VCDs seem to be popluar in China, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, India, Sri Lanka, the Middle East (including the U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia), U.K. and Canada to name some countries."

'Popular' and 'available' are two completely different concepts.  I guess that is lost on you. 

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Welcome to the world of Ascended_Saiyan JonM.  In his world he knows more than anyone.  He has better knowledge than you do because he has visited the area.  The fact that you actualy LIVE in that area means nothing. 

Thank you for putting words in my mouth.  You seem to do that a lot.  That's very mature of you.

You are the one who likes to put words in people's mouths...or have you forgotten that you like to read what people don't say instead of what they actually say? 

Besides, I didn't put words in your mouth, I described your general attitude.  Here you had a guy that lives in the UK and you were telling him he was wrong about what was and wasn't popular in his country.  You tried to belittle his knowledge by claiming he probably never went to certain parts of his own country.  Only after he told you that he actually lived in that particular part of the country did you change your tune from 'these are popular, you don't know what you are talking about' to 'all I was saying was people can get them.'

I explained this.  I'm not doing any recaps on this. 

Please provide useful information or questions about Blu-ray or HD DVD.  I've studied both for a while.  I didn't just choose a side without extreme research.  It was any format's game to lose with me.  Like I said before, I didn't want to spend a lot of money backing the wrong horse (as they say).  So, through research I didn't back the wrong horse.  I know some still can't see it yet, but soon the picture will be larger than life.  That moment will be when Universal goes neutral.

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Quoting lmoelleb:

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Did you guys know cruise missiles where popular in Europe?

You had to have missed the following statement (giving you the context in which I'm referring.  You understanding of that context you have not shown in your quote above.).
"in much the same way one would refer to a 'popular" or well-known person."

Would you refer to a missle in much the same way you refer to a person?  Is that logical?

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I would actually have said "no", people do generally speaking not know where to get them.

Then, it does not fit by your own admission.

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I have never heard of anyone here who knows where to get a VCD either

I guess you missed the following statement from JonM where he said you COULD get them it the places I mentioned.

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(actually I DO know where to buy the cruise missile as it is a lot easier to find on the internet, so it must be a lot more popular).

Then go pick one up. 

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If anyone wonders where to get the cruise missile, go here: http://www.raytheon.com/products/tomahawk/

Unfortunately it seems there is no web form where you can fill in "delivery" coordinates and credit card info.

So, have you realized yet that knowing where things are MADE and where they are SOLD are usually two completely different things.  Then again, maybe you pick up your movies from Warner Bros. or Universal. 

Can we get back on subject people?  I tell you...misdirection at it's best/worst!

You are correct. It is completely redicilous to think I can refer to a cruise missile the same was as I refer a person. Obviously this makes no sense at all - it is just as redicilous as refering to another product (for example a VCD) to a person, and obviously no intelligent person would ever do that. I am sorry I made this stupid mistake.

And as you point out, the fact that people generally speaking does not know where to buy a cruise missiles completely rules out that it is popular. After all, if it was popular, most people would know how to get it, and if I asked random people where I could buy cruise missiles, bananas, VCDs, and milk - generally people would only know where to get the bananas and the milk. So obviously cruise missiles are out, along with that other thing people generally speaking didn't know where to get (what was the example I used again - oh yes, it was something called "VCD").

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You are correct. It is completely redicilous to think I can refer to a cruise missile the same was as I refer a person. Obviously this makes no sense at all - it is just as redicilous as refering to another product (for example a VCD) to a person, and obviously no intelligent person would ever do that. I am sorry I made this stupid mistake.

I gave you the context to which I was referring and you got it wrong in an attempt at levity...period.

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And as you point out, the fact that people generally speaking does not know where to buy a cruise missiles completely rules out that it is popular. After all, if it was popular, most people would know how to get it, and if I asked random people where I could buy cruise missiles, bananas, VCDs, and milk - generally people would only know where to get the bananas and the milk. So obviously cruise missiles are out, along with that other thing people generally speaking didn't know where to get (what was the example I used again - oh yes, it was something called "VCD").

I think the people in this forum only represent a very very small portion of the world.  They probably don't even represent half the countries I have mentioned.  This just seems to be about the same situation as the numbers for Blu-ray vs. HD DVD according to Nielsen Videoscan and the voted numbers of Blu-ray vs HD DVD on the last Blu-ray vs HD DVD thread.  There are obviously small pockets of people that seem to isolate themselves in their own world. 

If I didn't see the Nielsen numbers and only visited this site and AVS, I would swear HD DVD was beating Blu-ray.  But, thanks to outside information we should know that is not true.  I would probably also believe we will never need more than 30GB of space for High-Def movies for the next decade and a half, but history has tried to teach people that if space is given it will be used in many ways since the dawn of the computer age. 

We have already pushed HD DVD to the limit video and audio wise.  An example of this would be King Kong.  Yes, the video quality is great, but HD DVD fans are stuck with a DD+ track and not a TrueHD stream (FBB or the truly lossless higher end Blu-ray supported FBA TrueHD stream).  Why would you want to settle because your format just can't do it.  It is one thing for the decision to be made by the studio not to do extras now for double dipping reasons.  It is quite another thing for this basic ability to be beyond your limits this early in the game.  That is not future-proofing your investment.  This was a major reason why I went with Blu-ray.  Please research these things and find the truth.  Learn how to use the equations that will allow you to see how HD DVD is already hitting their maximum throughputs on movies like King Kong (w/o the lower end FBB stream of TrueHD being added).  Don't just accept what people say.  JUST DO THE MATH FOR YOURSELF.

If anyone wants to find out where they can find the equations to perform the math to judge BOTH formats by, just let me know.

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If anyone wants to find out where they can find the equations to perform the math to judge BOTH formats by, just let me know.

Does that mean your pompous self is gonna give us a break from your constant "updates" in one-sidedness? Thank the good lord if it be true. 

If you look at google news for both sides, I think you will see there is a whole lot more news for Blu-ray than HD DVD.  A lot of the HD DVD news reports are really just negative comments of Blu-ray news. 

I have been posting the Nielsen VideoScan numbers.  It's one sided because of more things being in favor of Blu-ray.  Generally, the more companies working on your side, the more announcements you will have.  That's all.

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You are correct. It is completely redicilous to think I can refer to a cruise missile the same was as I refer a person. Obviously this makes no sense at all - it is just as redicilous as refering to another product (for example a VCD) to a person, and obviously no intelligent person would ever do that. I am sorry I made this stupid mistake.

I gave you the context to which I was referring and you got it wrong in an attempt at levity...period.

I had no problems understanding you context, it was as follows: After making a statement that is obviously wrong, try to make it look like it meant something else throwing in arguments that makes no sense whatsoever, and then claim the arguments are valid in THIS context, but not if used identically for anything else.

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And as you point out, the fact that people generally speaking does not know where to buy a cruise missiles completely rules out that it is popular. After all, if it was popular, most people would know how to get it, and if I asked random people where I could buy cruise missiles, bananas, VCDs, and milk - generally people would only know where to get the bananas and the milk. So obviously cruise missiles are out, along with that other thing people generally speaking didn't know where to get (what was the example I used again - oh yes, it was something called "VCD").

I think the people in this forum only represent a very very small portion of the world.  They probably don't even represent half the countries I have mentioned.

No, but given the number represented, you had a pretty high error rate on your list, so we do not really trust any other data you give us.

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This just seems to be about the same situation as the numbers for Blu-ray vs. HD DVD according to Nielsen Videoscan and the voted numbers of Blu-ray vs HD DVD on the last Blu-ray vs HD DVD thread.

It's allso about the same situation as the Carlsberg to Heineken beer ratio in my fridge, but I am not the one making up "facts", so I am not in a desparate need to change the subject, so I won't start writing a long story about it.

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There are obviously small pockets of people that seem to isolate themselves in their own world. 

Your words, not mine.