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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I hang my head in shame for missing the obvious link.  Worry not Grasshopper, for life is naught but a learning experience. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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The Paramount deal was a blow to Blu-ray. But, this is a temporray thing. The contract is for 18 months. Let's look at the release schedule for the 4th quarter. Paramount has 8 titles for release in the 4th quarter. Fox/MGM had none up until that point. Fox/MGM now has 29 titles for release in the 4th quarter. Not bad, especially when that includes "ID4", "I, Robot", "Mr. and Mrs. Smith", "Die Hard Trilogy", "Master & Commander", "Cast Away", "Ronin", "Robocop", "The Fly", etc.
That includes the day and date releases like, "Live Free or Die Hard", "FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer", and "The Simpsons Movie".
Show me a reliable news report that says it is only for 18 months.
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The format could be prolonged for another 18 to 24 months or it could basically still end in the next 6 months. Two things...
The BDA could offer a ton of cash to the retailers (Wal-Mart, CC, BB) to be Blu-ray exclusive from the holiday season going forward. If the only place you can buy HD DVD is online, how can you do big numbers (even if there are only 2 major exclusive studios now)?
You mean like they did with Target? 
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The BDA can offer the cheaper Chinese BD players at $200...completely wiping out ANY price advantage.
End game.
While we are speculating, Santa Clause could decide that his elves are better at making Blu-ray players than they are at making HD DVD players. That would be End Game too.  The NY Times news report I linked to for you a page or so ago, but no report is reliable enough for you (if it doesn't prove your point), right? I mean exactly like they did with Target except, supposedly, Target came to the BDA first. The Santa stuff I'll just chalk up to you having another bad trip. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Please stop spamming this board |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 405 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Here's a video of me "desperately speculating...again", by someone else.
Here's somethings you MIGHT see in headlines within the next 2 to 3 months. (hint, hint)
"HD DVD is Back to 1 Major Exclusive Studio"
"---- Dumps HD DVD for Blu-ray"
"HD DVD Loses An Exclusive Studio"
"----- the #? Retailer in the US is now Blu-ray Exclusive"
"HD DVD's Price Advantage Basically Non-Existent Now"
I have it on good authority that 2 of these are going to happen (with the blanks filled in of course).
We all know my prediction percentage is really high. Remember, who posted the Target deal here a month before it happened. The other side of the story...So here is Swanni's take on HD-DVD surviving and dragging out this format war even longer...since A_S forgot to post it, thought I would help him out!!! | | | | My Collection!!! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Mitsubishi Reveals 3D Blu-ray Player For Next Year
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Washington, D.C. (August 23, 2007) -- Mitsubishi may launch a Blu-ray player early next year that can convert 2D movies into 3D images.
That's according to an article at CNET.com.
The web site reports that Mitsubishi recently hosted a technology exhibit for the media at the Westchester County Club in New York, the site of this weekend's Barclay PGA Golf Tournament.
During the exhibit, the company handed reporters a pair of 3D goggles and displayed several images on screen that showcased the special effect.
"Most of us were pretty impressed by the demo, which included clips from movies, commercials, and sporting events. There was real depth to the 3D and you got that whole feeling of things poking out at you from the screen," said CNET.
But the surprise of the event was Mitsubishi's disclosure that it was working on the 3D Blu-ray player and it may be ready by early next year.
Philips has stated that it plans to issue a 3D HDTV in the next year or so, a set that would not require 3D goggles to appreciate the effect. But this is the first mention of a set-top that would convert a high-def disc into 3D.
CNET writes that Mitsubishi would not discuss possible pricing for the 3D Blu-ray player, but it said it was discussing integrating the technology into a well-known game console. That would likely to be Sony's PlayStation 3, which now has a Blu-ray player inside.
This is great news! Any 2D movie turned into 3D. That has to be even more amazing in 1080p! Why would some people want HD DVD to win again? 
I love 'fanboy' articles that don't tell the whole story. First, this wasn't an article on cnet, it was a blog entry. Second, the images that everyone was impressed with, as noted in the quote, were shot in 3D. They were not 2D images turned into 3D. Here is the full quote:
"Most of us were pretty impressed by the demo, which included clips from movies, commercials, and sporting events. There was real depth to the 3D and you got that whole feeling of things poking out at you from the screen. All the demo material had been shot in 3D, but the kicker to the whole presentation was that Mitsubishi apparently has a Blu-ray player in its labs that can convert existing 2D movies into 3D on the fly. Better yet, according to company reps, it may be available early next year."
Another part that was left out was the first line of the paragraph that followed the one I quoted above: "I'm pretty skeptical it's going to show up anytime soon and I have my doubts that converted 2D content is going to look all that great in 3D."
I have the same doubts. 3D movies require the use of special cameras during actual filming. Lucas is currently trying to convert his SW films to 3D and it is quite time consuming. Do you think he would be spending all that time and money if it could be done by a set top player? Come on man, even you can't be that gullable.  I guess you didn't know that's still CNET.com. Read the small print at the bottom of the CNET.com about their practices. Why did you even mention the CNET article being a tech blog like that means the demo didn't take place? How did what you typed make sense? Are you trying to say the 3D demo never took place by Mitsubishi...and they all imagined it and wrote articles based off of identical day dreams? If people were impressed by the demo, then it obviously worked. If it didn't work, no one would have been impressed. It's that simple. If Lucas is currently trying to convert his films to 3D, that would be quite time consuming to create a new master. That would be a 3D film with a lot more "pop" to it. The Mitsubishi demo gives a 3D pop to any 2D movie, but not as much as a movie shot for 3D. Do you understand now? | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Calidain: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Here's a video of me "desperately speculating...again", by someone else.
Here's somethings you MIGHT see in headlines within the next 2 to 3 months. (hint, hint)
"HD DVD is Back to 1 Major Exclusive Studio"
"---- Dumps HD DVD for Blu-ray"
"HD DVD Loses An Exclusive Studio"
"----- the #? Retailer in the US is now Blu-ray Exclusive"
"HD DVD's Price Advantage Basically Non-Existent Now"
I have it on good authority that 2 of these are going to happen (with the blanks filled in of course).
We all know my prediction percentage is really high. Remember, who posted the Target deal here a month before it happened.
The other side of the story...
So here is Swanni's take on HD-DVD surviving and dragging out this format war even longer...since A_S forgot to post it, thought I would help him out!!! I didn't forget it. It's an old article that had nothing to do with my post about Blu-ray still winning within 6 months. Nice try though. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Please stop spamming this board. Thank you. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Blu-ray still winning within 6 months. Can you make us a promise then? If in 6 months time (ie March 2008) there are still HD DVD releases and hardware available then can you kindly logout of this site and never come back? | | | | Last edited: by stefc |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,195 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Well, in all fairness, TrueHD = PCM as long as the 'bits' and such match up. I agree, but the lack of PCM (although unfair) is often used as an argument against HD DVD. I also agree that audio and video comes first, but this aren't just any old titles, I expect more from a billion dollar franchise like Spider-Man. And it doesn't speak well for Blu-ray's status as Sony's flagship format... Maybe they're planning on going neutral.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,195 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
LOL...That's right. Let's forget that the Spiderman movies are A LOT higher up on the movie scale than Mission Impossible. Yet, you get the Spiderman Trilogy for about the same price.
Also, let's not forget that you are only talking about the FIRST TWO DISCS IN THE TRILOGY. Spiderman 3 has an additional 25GB disc (that you just happened to leave out). It could probably be completely in HD. All three Mission: Impossible movies on both HD DVD and Blu-ray ports over the DVD extras, as well as give you exclusive 1080p content on M:i:3. And this from a studio that just dropped Blu-ray... Sony needs to do a lot better if they can't even match the (ex-)neutral studios. Quote:
This boxset could basically be the first completely HD boxset on HD optical. Carry on... Yeah, but apparently only through the complete lack of any extras on 2 out of 3 titles, adding up to another overpriced and underwhelming Blu-ray release. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
|   | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Anyways, just try to be honest and say MI is better than Spiderman. I'll bite... De Palma's Mission: Impossible is certainly better than Spider-Man 3.  Not sure what this quiz was about, but if I won anything, send it along.  Quoting Patsa: Quote:
Quoting Erik:
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Well, in all fairness, TrueHD = PCM as long as the 'bits' and such match up.
I agree, but the lack of PCM (although unfair) is often used as an argument against HD DVD. Because it "sounds louder" and generally people auto-associate louder with better. Quote:
I also agree that audio and video comes first, but this aren't just any old titles, I expect more from a billion dollar franchise like Spider-Man. Agreed, but they made their "stance" very clear. I'm wondering why this included the commentary on the first Spidey flick too, was it not an "HD commentary"? Just love the self-admitted inconsistency of this thing, a title like "Final Fantasy" is loaded up with SD features but Spidey 1 and 2 can't have any of that nonsense. - - - DreamWorks Kicks It 'Old School' on HD DVD: "DreamWorks has announced that 'Old School' will be among its first HD DVD-exclusive titles to hit store shelves this November. The studio has issued a November 27 retail date for the smash Vince Vaughn-Will Ferrell comedy, although at presstime no specs were available. However, DreamWorks has confirmed that the HD DVD will feature the 92-minute Unrated version of the film, which includes additional material too hot for the theatrical release." 'Anchorman' to Bow on HD DVD this November: "DreamWorks Home Entertainment has announced it will bring the Will Ferrell comedy 'Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy' to HD DVD in time for the holidays. Though not the out-of-the-gate smash most of Ferrell's more recent comedies have been (such as the $100 million-plus grossers 'Talladega Nights' and 'Blades of Glory'), 'Anchorman' has found a large fanbase on video -- one that's almost sure to eat it up once again as it hits high-def. The studio has not yet unveiled supplement plans for this high-def edition of 'Anchorman,' however the disc is set to feature the unrated version originally seen on DVD, and is expected to include both Dolby TrueHD and standard Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 surround tracks." | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting graymadder:
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Just read at DVD Town that Paramount will not be restocking current Blu-Ray releases.
"Paramount will not re-stock its already 32 released Blu-ray titles. This means that when stock runs out at various retailers, that will be it."
I guess this is a win for HD-DVD. Paramount has a pretty substantial library. This will hurt Blu-ray. I don't care how you spin it or misinterpret it's an exclusive that HD-DVD needed. However, my thoughts on Sony aside, this is not win for consumers. It is a step backwards. This seperates the two formats even more now. This war well continue. The longer is lasts the less likely it will survive.
The only chance for either of the two formats to survive is for HD-DVD to fail. The reason is simple. Sony not only owns content, it controls how that content will be distributed. Because they are a content owner and content provider Sony will not provide content for HD-DVD. Where as the rest of the film distributors can choose to go either format or both. As you can see this creates a huge stalemate. The answer is not a dual format player, but a single format.
But I do not see that happening for a long time.
The Paramount deal was a blow to Blu-ray. But, this is a temporray thing. The contract is for 18 months. Let's look at the release schedule for the 4th quarter. Paramount has 8 titles for release in the 4th quarter. Fox/MGM had none up until that point. Fox/MGM now has 29 titles for release in the 4th quarter. Not bad, especially when that includes "ID4", "I, Robot", "Mr. and Mrs. Smith", "Die Hard Trilogy", "Master & Commander", "Cast Away", "Ronin", "Robocop", "The Fly", etc.
That includes the day and date releases like, "Live Free or Die Hard", "FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer", and "The Simpsons Movie".
The format could be prolonged for another 18 to 24 months or it could basically still end in the next 6 months. Two things...
The BDA could offer a ton of cash to the retailers (Wal-Mart, CC, BB) to be Blu-ray exclusive from the holiday season going forward. If the only place you can buy HD DVD is online, how can you do big numbers (even if there are only 2 major exclusive studios now)?
The BDA can offer the cheaper Chinese BD players at $200...completely wiping out ANY price advantage.
End game. Now you're really clutching at straws and pulling it out of your A** "The format could basically still end in the next 6 months." and movies could go back to being silent too "The BDA could offer a ton of cash to the retailers (Wal-Mart, CC, BB) to be Blu-ray exclusive from the holiday season going forward." Sure, and aliens from planet Blu-ray could land and use their blu-death ray to wipe out all the HD DVD clan. "The BDA can offer cheaper Chinese BD players at $200" Has it ever dawned on you that If they could sell $200 Chinese BD players, they WOULD be selling $200 Chinese BD players?! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Blu-ray still winning within 6 months.
Can you make us a promise then? If in 6 months time (ie March 2008) there are still HD DVD releases and hardware available then can you kindly logout of this site and never come back? Pretty Please with sugar on it? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
The NY Times news report I linked to for you a page or so ago, but no report is reliable enough for you (if it doesn't prove your point), right? It has nothing to do with proving my point as I have no point to prove. Alan Bell, executive vice president and chief technology officer for Paramount Pictures, says it's an indefinite commitment. The NY Times article says it is 18 months but doesn't give a verifiable source. I wonder which statement should be given more weight? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
I guess you didn't know that's still CNET.com. Read the small print at the bottom of the CNET.com about their practices. Why did you even mention the CNET article being a tech blog like that means the demo didn't take place? How did what you typed make sense? Are you trying to say the 3D demo never took place by Mitsubishi...and they all imagined it and wrote articles based off of identical day dreams?
If people were impressed by the demo, then it obviously worked. If it didn't work, no one would have been impressed. It's that simple. If Lucas is currently trying to convert his films to 3D, that would be quite time consuming to create a new master. That would be a 3D film with a lot more "pop" to it. The Mitsubishi demo gives a 3D pop to any 2D movie, but not as much as a movie shot for 3D. Do you understand now? You really need to learn to read and comprehend. Did you even read what I posted? Did you read the blog entry? I mean I couldn't have made it any easier for you. But here you are, speaking about things you know nothing about even when the facts are completely against you. Are you confused? Here I will help you out by quoting the blog again and bolding the pertinent statement. "Most of us were pretty impressed by the demo, which included clips from movies, commercials, and sporting events. There was real depth to the 3D and you got that whole feeling of things poking out at you from the screen. All the demo material had been shot in 3D, but the kicker to the whole presentation was that Mitsubishi apparently has a Blu-ray player in its labs that can convert existing 2D movies into 3D on the fly. Better yet, according to company reps, it may be available early next year." Do you see what it says there? Mitsubishi didn't convert any 2D images into 3D. They used images that were shot in 3D. People were impressed with images shot in 3D played on a "massive Dell desktop and output onto a large DLP set." Company reps do claim to have a player in the lab that can convert existing 2D movies into 3D, but that isn't what was demonstrated and that isn't what anyone was impressed with. Do you understand now? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Company reps do claim to have a player in the lab that can convert existing 2D movies into 3D, but that isn't what was demonstrated and that isn't what anyone was impressed with.
Do you understand now? His blinders are glued on so tight he would have to tear skin to get them off. He thinks we are all against Blu Ray, but really it is just jumped-up fanboys pushing their opinions like the King-James Bible that annoy the crap out of us. A classic case of unbounded tunnel-visioned zealotry. I think that if Blu Ray ever did go the way of the dodo, beta or the umd movie (something which won't be happening soon, if ever, imho) he would still be in here every day harranguing, harrassing and singing its praises. | | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
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