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Why is the use of IMDB frowned upon?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I contributed cast credits for two films and used IMDB for that.

I own one of them (Disturbing Behavior) and the other (Company Man) is on my wishlist.

The current credits for Company Man only lists 16 cast members, whereas IMDB lists a total of over 45 cast members.

I also contributed complete cast credits for Disturbing Behavior.
The current database only lists 8 cast members, so I contributed what IMDB has (which lists a total of 65 cast members).

The cast credits for either dvd hasn't been updated for years. So I contributed a more complete cast credits for these two dvd's.

Here I thought I was helping make the database better and more complete, but instead my contributions were voted against.

I don't have the time or will to go down to my living room with a pad of paper and go through the end credits of dvd's I own, and then take that and go to my computer and type that info into the program and just hope I got all of the spellings right.

Personally I don't see what the big deal is. IMDB is afterall the internets largest movie database and has been around since 1990.

Even if there are any mistakes in the cast credits, they can always be corrected by another user. It's not like it's a permanent addition to the database.

I will continue to use IMDB because I find that their credits are far more accurate/ complete than what is in dvdprofiler's database, but since my cast credits were voted against I don't see any reason to contribute the cast credits of anymore dvd's to the database as it would just be a waste of my time. I'll just keep them local and use it for my own use.



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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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IMDB owns their database and using it as a source for our database would be a violation of their policies and open us up to lawsuits.  You may of course continue to use whatever source you like for your local database.
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Don't let this upset you.  I have been around here for a few years, so I understand why IMDB is not allowed.  Back in the early days, people would enter cast information the way they wanted it in their local DB, and then submit it.  Then another user would come along and do the same thing.  Every week, the same profiles were being updated back and forth.  Finally, the rules were change so that only cast and crew data could be submitted directly from the DVD in the same order and spelling as on the DVD..."As Credited".  This way, everyone knows what the correct profile should be.  Without this rule, every user could change it to the way they wanted it to be and it would be right.  You would have an update for almost every profile in your db all the time and you would never get them processed.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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They are too busy arguing in here to worry about it?      

Perhaps you are the only user that owns those titles at this time, it is after all user built and you are user. So pop in the disc and do the credits.

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Billy Video
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I just did some looking in to this matter... it appears someone that didn't update their database uploaded their old profile for Disturbing Behavior... if you click on my banner and click on Disturbing Behavior  you will see a fully credited cast list.

When I checked the notes on intervocative for this title... I see that I, myself did cast list as credited in order of the credits on February 11th 2006.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Cubby:

Can YOU independently document the (uncredited) to verify their accuracy, if you can't via screen caps, Comments in Featuretttes, Commnetaries, etc, Do NOT include them. What makes you believe that IMDb is accurate are there notes somewhere on the site that says I documented this person in this film this way. NO!! Keep them local, unless you can verify them.

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The link to your dvd profiler collection only has 8 cast members.

The link via the banner does list a more complete cast for DB. The 50 in your cast credits looks like it matches what I had contributed, except for the uncredited cast that I included.


Like I said... my notes is on the old site... intervocative.com... the banner is the work I did for it... but someone put up old info here at this site. I will have the correct info back up here shortly.
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Besides those 2 titles that were metioned, and to get back to the question.  There is more to the IMDB problem than the copyright issues.  IMDB is by far the largest movie databse but that doesn't automatically make it the best.

It is far from being accurate and often, if somebody contributes IMDB data over the current profiles, they are actually destroying valid data with invalid one.  The problem is that many people (I was one of them once) assume that IMDB is right when they see it's different than DVD Profiler.

Forbidding the use of IMDB data not only protects Invelos from possible lawsuits, it also protects the database and the work of many people against the mistake of those who think IMDB can always be trusted.
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Simplest possible answer.  It isn't "frowned upon."  It's blatantly against the rules.

"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits."

Simple.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantEvo2Me
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Makes the new option 'uncredit' superfluous.

I am not defending IMDB, which is just another source to start with but not rely on [as is with all community sources, incl. this one]. Contrary to popular myth there are good reasons to have editorial staff on encyclopedias, dictionaries et al. Like fact checking with primary sources, using informed opinions, relying on several independent sources, and so on.

All Movie Guide, for instance, is such an encyclopedia for films; following it shows clearly where their limits are [for instance with almost anything not coming from the US or UK].

The current rules for DVDP - that is the sometimes very rigid adherence by the most vocal - make it impossible to find some of the trivia we associate with movies, like uncredited cameos. Even more interesting: without the use of sources outside the film credits and the DVD, how should we enter birthdays.

Rules are guidelines, enforcing them without regard is fascism.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
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Also, if theres cast taken not from the end credits, someone that might have otherwise added the cast/crew from end credits, thinks someone already has done that.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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No Rules are NOT guideline, they ar RULES and they are meant to be followed by all. You can add (uncredited) AS LONG AS you document the data, I gave you several possibilties for doing this. There are also legal reasons involved if you had bothered to read Ken's comment on this. Simply do the work, if you don't want to do the work then don't cry about it.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarxon
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Makes the new option 'uncredit' superfluous.

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The current rules for DVDP - that is the sometimes very rigid adherence by the most vocal - make it impossible to find some of the trivia we associate with movies, like uncredited cameos.


If you can provide documentation for an uncredited appearance, it won't be voted down. It's the unsourced entries we can very well do without (I sometimes feel inclined to enter myself as well, and who's to say whose family members we already have in numerous cast lists just for the fun of it?). So, the 'uncredited' check-box is NOT superfluous. You just have to know how to use it.

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Rules are guidelines, enforcing them without regard is fascism.

Your reference to totalitarian regimes and political ideologies in a discussion about DVD Contributions disqualifies you for any further sensible discussion in my book. It seems you're running out of on topic arguments very fast....
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