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Can we change the Title's spelling if we think it looks better than others??
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Maybe one day, Mr. lopek and James you will actually come up something relevant instead making your repetitive personal slams....but I doubt it and I won't hold my breath.

Skip

I haven't responded to a post of yours since maybe Sunday but I noticed yesterday that you posted in agreement with me and everyone else in a certain thread. Yet you took an opportunity to say that I had twisted logic...even though you agreed with me and even though I had not referred to you at all.   Now today you've come in and attacked Andy...even though you agree with him...and he never mentioned you in his post. :anxous:

So I find this new 'agreement' style of yours to be quite fascinating. That's why I posted.

If we want to pick nits about how we all reached our same-decision, you'll find that your argument of not using the back title block nor using the poster doesn't help answer the question as to whether "The Year We Make Contact" is a modified title or not. You may have reached the same conclusion we did, but that's happenstance since you didn't follow it through logically. You've yet to show that the cover doesn't have a modified title.

When you originally voted, you voted for the tagline to be part of the title. Yesterday in the CubbyUps thread, you pulled this contribution into that discussion citing the colon. Now today you're for just 2010 and you attack people with whom you agree and you call their defense 'personal slams'.

As for relevancy, well, we already had the question answered before you got here and stirred the pot, so I think we were relevant and on topic.

Thanks for the shout out.
...James

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All I can say is

and

oh wait...maybe as well.



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Thanks for changing your mind about the colon and agreeing with us, Skip. It's been fun.



I didn't change my mind, James. Never have never will.  It is very simple.If The Day We Make Contact is On Screen we use the colon per the RULES. And Widescreen Forever was intially trying to impose his OWN interpretation which was NOT supported by the Rules AND STILL IS.

If it is not On Screen then it should NOT be there at all. Simple No mind change at all.

Mr. Lopek, you should not bring up irrelevant side issues such as back cover and poters which we do not use AT ALL


Sorry, Skip, but you are trying to apply  a TV Set Rule regarding Episodes to a Movie.  The Episode Rule talking about colons is irrelevant to this conversation.  "2010" is not a TV Set.

The only Rule that applies is the one that says the Title is to be taken from the film credits.

Hence "2010" is the proper title.



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Ah another member of the Peanut gallery has arrived.

Did you even BOTHER to read what I said.

Skip


Yes, I read what you said.  Shall I quote it for you:

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I quoted the Episode Descriptor Rules, because it would define the title as 2010: The Year We Made Contact, if the descriptor appeared On Screen. I can't pull the title myself right now and verify it.
Skip


The Episode Descriptor Rules cannot be applied in this case even "if the descriptor appeared On Screen" BECAUSE the Episode Descriptor Rule is a TV Set Rule, therefore it CANNOT be applied to a MOVIE, which 2010 is....A MOVIE....NOT A TV SET.

Do you get it yet?   
Hal
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Maybe one day, Mr. lopek and James you will actually come up something relevant instead making your repetitive personal slams....but I doubt it and I won't hold my breath.

Skip


How do you not collapse under the weight of your own hypocrisy?
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The Episode Descriptor Rules cannot be applied in this case even "if the descriptor appeared On Screen" BECAUSE the Episode Descriptor Rule is a TV Set Rule, therefore it CANNOT be applied to a MOVIE, which 2010 is....A MOVIE....NOT A TV SET.

Do you get it yet?   


Yea...I don't think so.  Here is the rule:

Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break, e.g. "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace".

Both of the examples in the rule are movies.  This is a rule concerning 'movie franchises'.
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The Episode Descriptor Rules cannot be applied in this case even "if the descriptor appeared On Screen" BECAUSE the Episode Descriptor Rule is a TV Set Rule, therefore it CANNOT be applied to a MOVIE, which 2010 is....A MOVIE....NOT A TV SET.

Do you get it yet?   


Yea...I don't think so.  Here is the rule:

Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break, e.g. "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace".

Both of the examples in the rule are movies.  This is a rule concerning 'movie franchises'.



I take it all back!  My bad.   
Hal
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Forgiven, hal

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I have said before, Mr. lopek if you start I will respond..

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I have said before, Mr. lopek if you start I will respond..

Skip

Yes we all know that, you repeat it anyone and everyone almost every day... but what exactly did I "start"? Please point it out so I can avoid hurting your sensibilities in the future.

From my perspective, you arrived in a nice civil thread, discussing an issue, and you decided to attack me on a side point by quoting irrelevances while ignore the core point of the thread. 
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Why can't this thing be considered a modified title?  Who says it isn't?  Certainly It looks like part of the title. Perhaps the reason the colon was left out was due to the appearance/graphic impact of 2010 being above The Year We Make Contact and the personal preference of the artist in question.

All I am saying is that it could go either way re the title.  Perhaps it is just a tagline.  But the way it is treated on the back cover certainly seems concrete evidence that it isn't meant to be just a tagline but is in fact the title.  Therefore the way Widescreen is treating the title is correct.  It isn't up to us to try to correct grammar.  Perhaps, as is the case for some titles, bad grammar is what they were after.

Therefore if the entire thing is the title (which I believe it is) then it is treated as a modified title as follows:

Title:            2010 The Year We Make Contact
Original Title: 2010

Per Rules - Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release.  For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
          o Title: There's Something More About Mary
          o Original Title: There's Something About Mary

Andy, I apologize, I don't know why I used your name (thought somehow it was Widescreen's actual name).  Certainly I am not in agreement with you Andy.  I am however in complete agreement with the originator of this topic.
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"The Year We Made Contact" is not part of the title, so the whole : or not is irrelevant.

The Title Screen in the credits shows only "2010", with cast on the pages on either side. Nowhere in the opening credits is is "The Year We Made Contact" listed.

So per the rules, the title should be "2010".

The modified titles rule does not apply, as "The Year We Made Contact" was on the original poster.

I would suggest it is nothing more than a tagline, and so has no place in the database.


Wrong again, Mr. Lopek. You brought up the irrelevant poster in your first post. The ONLY thing that has relevance is what appears On Screen

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Why can't this thing be considered a modified title?  Who says it isn't?

That's why the movie poster is important. The on-screen credit is 2010. The credit block on the poster says 2010. The title on the poster is 2010 with "The Year We Make Contact" underneath. This shows that "The Year We Make Contact" was a tagline on the poster before it got onto the DVD cover. Therefore, the cover does not have a modified title on it. The DVD cover merely replicates the tagline from the poster.
...James

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Wrong again, Mr. Lopek. You brought up the irrelevant poster in your first post. The ONLY thing that has relevance is what appears On Screen

Skip


Except, as Fubar has so kindly pointed out, when we are talking about a 'Modified Title'.  What Lopek was trying to point out is that, because the original theatrical poster also contained the tagline, it can't be considered the 'modified title' of the DVD release.

While I understand where he is coming from I am not sure whether or not I agree with him. 

Edit:  James beat me to it. 
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Wrong again, Mr. Lopek. You brought up the irrelevant poster in your first post. The ONLY thing that has relevance is what appears On Screen

Skip

Firstly, how was that starting something with you? You were not even in the forum when posted, and had not posted in this thread. I started nothing, but don't let the truth get in the way of attacking me, it never has in the past.

Secondly the poster is relevant, you just don't seem to be able to get your mind around it. I'll explain once more for you.

The credits clearly state that the title is "2010" as I stated. But the Modified Title rule can override that - if the DVD has a modified title, then that can take the title place, with the credits title moved to the "Original Title" field. To know whether this is a DVD modified title you need to know if it DVD specific.

By referencing the pre-DVD poster, it can be clearly seen that the addition of "The Year We Made Contact" was not a DVD specific thing in any way, but was merely a replication of the poster. Hence there are no grounds for the modified title to be applied - confirming the "2010" title.
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What the "H" has a movie poster got to do with anything?  The people who put out the DVD decided to use the entire thing as the title.  Isn't that logical?  Certainly most, if not all websites list the DVD with the title completion of "The Year We Make Contact"

as an example:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010:_The_Year_We_Make_Contact

Look at the back cover.  The DVD manufacturer/distributor uses the entire thing when they say: Discover a new dimension of sci-fi excitement with 2010: The Year We Make Contact on DVD

It is the DVD title.  No question.
Graham
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I should pull the contribution and replace it with another.,

The actual title is 2010 and nothing else...

Just did some quick searching around the net, including IMDB  and the title from 1984 is 2010., the tag line underneath the title is of course The Year We Make Contact.., therefore the title in OUR database is wrong, and I aim to change it.

Just realized as well that Fantasia 2000 is not Fantasia:2000
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