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Disc Number and Disc Side Labels in Cast & Crew Dividers? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would agree with Unicus on this one, it's already allowed when there are different films on either side, so why not different episodes too?
That way you would only need episode dividers on the profile.
I have admit, I did agree with Skip's argument in principle, however I think the only way it would work in practice would be if we were allowed nested dividers. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hierarchial dividers are in the works, north.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Hierarchial dividers are in the works, north.
Skip Where was this announced? Can you link me please?  | | | Andy 
"Credited as" Names Database |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wouldn't link you to anything
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | The missing link!  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That creates fictional discs, Unicus, which i don't support and can't. One Disc, One Profile.
Skip Man, this confuses the heck out of me. It's explicitly mentioned in boxset rules to create separate profiles of each side of a disk if they contain different movies. Now I appreciate the fact that skip doesn't like it, but it's in the rules...no big deal. However, in another thread, skip is railing against a minor SRP change that isn't allowed in the rules and suggesting the contributor is causing the decline of western civilization as we know it. What exactly is the deal with this astounding double standard? Probably the wrong thread for this anyway, but that's kind of schizo.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50 (from several pages back  ): Quote:
Again this all revolves around learning how to argue logically. For days everybody went off on tangents trying to to overpower me , which isn't going to work...EVER.
James made one simple comment that got the wheels turning
"Any of the complete series sets where individual series are packaged inside one box would be equivalent to the North and South example. I'm just trying to establish that there are other sets like North and South. From there, I want to know if you want cast and crew dividers on those equivalents."
That was all it took. He also did it in such a way that it was a fair comment and not some form of an attack.
What threw me off was the UPC of the first child and then having two grandchildren under that UPC. Had it been a a keeper without a UPC, I don't think the issue would have ever come up, but that UPC got me going off in the wrong direction, right IDEA, just not quite the correct direction.
In a "normal" setup
UPC
Child
Child
Here we had
UPC
UPC
Child
Child
So I was trying to sort out how to best cope with that. While remaining consistent, with now and future.
Skip OK. So now I've figured out what your "change of mind" is. It's not really a change of mind on disc dividers. It's a change of mind for the way this particular set is constructed. Up to now, this set has been in the db as: UPC for the box UPC (Book 1) 2 discs UPC (Book 2) 2 discs UPC (Book 3) 1 disc Now you have submitted Disc 2 profiles for Books 1 and 2 which have been accepted: UPC for the box UPC (Book 1) Disc 2 (Book 1) UPC (Book 2) Disc 2 (Book 2) UPC (Book 3) ...and now you are voting against my Book 1 submission citing "Too much data, Disc 2 Profiles are how in the system" as it seems you feel the UPC should only cover Disc 1 now and all material related to Disc 2 should be removed.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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In the meantime, dividers provide a tool that can be used to clarify and simplify cast listing in ways that goes beyond simply breaking the list at 'Episode #'. Many people are fighting that tooth and nail. And, as I've said before, a lot of these profiling problems and the ensuing fights are because people still persist in profiling TV set data as if it were a different animal than a movie set, when the only real, practical difference is the number of pieces of video on a disc.
I dasagree with what I think you are saying here...if I misunderstood what you were saying, I apolagize in advance.
If a DVD has episodes on two sides, the best way to break that data down...if we are looking for the smallest possible chunk of data...is to profile both sides. If you create a profile for both sides, there is no need to use an 'episode divider' to indicate which side of the DVD the episodes are on.
Again, it seems fairly simple to me. Regardless of how many sides it has, a disc level profile that has four episodes on it requires some way to list the cast and crew for each episode. Dividers allow that to be done. But, as I said, once grandchild profiles are available, you won't needs dividers at the child level for that. That function can then be used for other things - whatever that turns out to be. Skip doesn't like profiling both sides of a disc, which is why he wants to use dividers to indicate the disc side. I see no problem with disc side profiling using the Disc ID. To that extent we disagree, but that is a rather small point in the overall picture. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
The missing link! Ah, yes, there you go! Piltdown Man! | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Regardless of how many sides it has, a disc level profile that has four episodes on it requires some way to list the cast and crew for each episode. Dividers allow that to be done. But, as I said, once grandchild profiles are available, you won't needs dividers at the child level for that. That function can then be used for other things - whatever that turns out to be.
Skip doesn't like profiling both sides of a disc, which is why he wants to use dividers to indicate the disc side. I see no problem with disc side profiling using the Disc ID. To that extent we disagree, but that is a rather small point in the overall picture. In that case, I did misunderstand what you were saying. Reading what you just said it seems we are on the same page. Thanks for the clarification. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 404 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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That creates fictional discs, Unicus, which i don't support and can't. One Disc, One Profile.
Skip
Man, this confuses the heck out of me. It's explicitly mentioned in boxset rules to create separate profiles of each side of a disk if they contain different movies. Now I appreciate the fact that skip doesn't like it, but it's in the rules...no big deal. However, in another thread, skip is railing against a minor SRP change that isn't allowed in the rules and suggesting the contributor is causing the decline of western civilization as we know it.
What exactly is the deal with this astounding double standard?
Probably the wrong thread for this anyway, but that's kind of schizo. I see you are new to Skiplogic. Skip doesn't understand this and will probably blame you (and now me) for it anyway. | | | The Other DVD Forum
Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh, I have one more question.
What do you feel now??????????????????????????
It's about time you get shouted down. You are just a pain in the butt. Whitout you, we can finally have a normal discussion. Whit out your personal attacks. If you don't I will get back to keep silent in these discussions. Because in you head you think you are always right. which you are not.
Please Ken and Gerri, make some of the users moderators. Then maybe this forum would be a place for discussion and not name callings. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
...and now you are voting against my Book 1 submission citing "Too much data, Disc 2 Profiles are how in the system" as it seems you feel the UPC should only cover Disc 1 now and all material related to Disc 2 should be removed. I don't know the set, but it almost looks like the vote goes against Len's statement. But I could be wrong... Anyway: Please Invelos, give us "grandchildren profiles" and the ability to properly profile DVDs with two films on one side, with related Rules adjustments, soon, so all this madness can stop. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Once again distraction to aviod the issue. Why do we include all that irrelevant crap in Edition.
Skip Why do we? For the simple reason that not everyone is as knowledgable about what an Edition is - and it prevents a whole lot of ping-ponging of contributions if "we include all that irrelevant crap in Edition." It doesn't hurt anything to have stuff in the Edition field. In any event, this is purely a red herring relative to the Cast/Crew Divider issue. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Edited by me because I was angry when I wrote it.  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Once again distraction to aviod the issue. Why do we include all that irrelevant crap in Edition.
Skip
Why do we? For the simple reason that not everyone is as knowledgable about what an Edition is - and it prevents a whole lot of ping-ponging of contributions if "we include all that irrelevant crap in Edition." It doesn't hurt anything to have stuff in the Edition field.
In any event, this is purely a red herring relative to the Cast/Crew Divider issue. No, Ken it is not a red herring.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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