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Marilyn Monroe: YOB or not ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Personally, I think the whole "birth year" idea is a bad one and fails to solve the problem it is meant to address. I realize that this is being used to stay away from the Roman Numerals used by IMDB for the same purpose but their idea is far better. All that needs to be done is to assign an Arabic Numeral or an alphabetical letter. It is far simpler, does not generate documentation problems and removes the need for endless arguments over sources. This would also solve your questions over who needs a number/letter assigned to them or not.
The problem with using non-personal identifiers is, when you're creating a profile and are confronted with a list of "John Smith"s - how do you know which one to pick if they are only separated by "(1), (2)" etc? Even though I completely agree that the system has problems, at least the birth year gives you something you can check straight away to confirm which person to pick.
And as to the topic in hand, no way should Marilyn Monroe have had a birth year, you were right to remove it in my opinion.
PS - I've noticed a number of people have posted that Ken said not to remove birth years, but does anyone have the actual quote cos I don't remember seeing anything like that in the forums? If this wasn't so pathetic it would be hilarious. The British Army found out nearly two hundred years ago that arbitrarily numbering identical names didn't work. Before soldiers were given unique serial numbers or used Social Security Numbers (US went to that in 1970), people with the same exact name were given a number after their name and that number was always used when calling the roll in formations to identify each person. If you watch the movie "Zulu" (Michael Caine's first movie) you can see that system being used. It didn't work any better for the Brits than it does here. | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Quoting northbloke:Quote:
PS - I've noticed a number of people have posted that Ken said not to remove birth years, but does anyone have the actual quote cos I don't remember seeing anything like that in the forums?
He never did. I searched all of Ken's 700+ posts and in all posts related to BY he never once made such a statement.
You are correct, he never said that. The only thing he said, and he did this in the rules, was that if you got the BY from another profile...and didn't enter it yourself...you didn't have to document it in your submission. With that in mind. Can we vote no to a submission that includes an "inherited" YoB if we can demonstrate that it is a unique name and YoB isn't required. | | | | Stuart |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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Quoting northbloke:Quote:
PS - I've noticed a number of people have posted that Ken said not to remove birth years, but does anyone have the actual quote cos I don't remember seeing anything like that in the forums?
He never did. I searched all of Ken's 700+ posts and in all posts related to BY he never once made such a statement.
You are correct, he never said that. The only thing he said, and he did this in the rules, was that if you got the BY from another profile...and didn't enter it yourself...you didn't have to document it in your submission.
With that in mind. Can we vote no to a submission that includes an "inherited" YoB if we can demonstrate that it is a unique name and YoB isn't required. That is a good question. The documentation rule, if I remember the PM conversation properly, was meant to prevent 'no' votes when inherited BYs were included in a submission without documentation. I don't think the issue of them being 'right' or 'wrong' ever came up. That would be a question for Ken. In this case, I would probably vote 'no' as there is only one Marilyn Monroe. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Quoting northbloke:Quote:
PS - I've noticed a number of people have posted that Ken said not to remove birth years, but does anyone have the actual quote cos I don't remember seeing anything like that in the forums?
He never did. I searched all of Ken's 700+ posts and in all posts related to BY he never once made such a statement.
You are correct, he never said that. The only thing he said, and he did this in the rules, was that if you got the BY from another profile...and didn't enter it yourself...you didn't have to document it in your submission. Well, that's damned annoying. I've not been adding birth years to any of my profiles - instead I've been adding a not to my contributions stating that any BY present is NOT my doing; but grandfathered in from other accepted profiles. Today, I still had 2 profiles rejected with the following reason: "Please use birth years only to distinguish between otherwise identical cast and crew. New birth year submissions must be documented." I then had to go through the cast and crew and remove the offending items. Nightmare! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | exactly the same for me Pantheon, and I have never personally added a bloody BY | | |  |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | and the same for me, see original post. Got exactly the same decline message (so it's kinda 'standard') while I never add BYs. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Every time I post a profile I find myself stripping out any BY that creep in. The problem is that I have no idea if they are legitimate or not. What we really need is a sticky so we know what has been officially sanctioned and what has not. |
|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Personally, I think the whole "birth year" idea is a bad one and fails to solve the problem it is meant to address. I realize that this is being used to stay away from the Roman Numerals used by IMDB for the same purpose but their idea is far better. All that needs to be done is to assign an Arabic Numeral or an alphabetical letter. It is far simpler, does not generate documentation problems and removes the need for endless arguments over sources. This would also solve your questions over who needs a number/letter assigned to them or not.
The problem with using non-personal identifiers is, when you're creating a profile and are confronted with a list of "John Smith"s - how do you know which one to pick if they are only separated by "(1), (2)" etc? Even though I completely agree that the system has problems, at least the birth year gives you something you can check straight away to confirm which person to pick.
And as to the topic in hand, no way should Marilyn Monroe have had a birth year, you were right to remove it in my opinion.
PS - I've noticed a number of people have posted that Ken said not to remove birth years, but does anyone have the actual quote cos I don't remember seeing anything like that in the forums? Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Every time I post a profile I find myself stripping out any BY that creep in. The problem is that I have no idea if they are legitimate or not. What we really need is a sticky so we know what has been officially sanctioned and what has not. Does anyone see my point yet? If not, let me spell it out. As it is now we are having contributions declined for birth year conflicts of some sort and none of us can even see the birth year information to know if it's there. Then there is the problem of knowing if it is correct. Added to this, we have the obstacle of knowing if it has been accepted. We also have the added benefit of these little argument threads. It's garbage and does not work. | | | | Dan |
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