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composer/song writer confusion
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRifter
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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An instrumental theme does not fit either of our current music roles.

It's absolutely excluded from qualifying for composer since the composition is not the original score, as required by the rules.

I believe a case can be made for including it as song writer; however, if you accept the argument that a song must contain words, then composers of instrumental themes must be excluded entirely from DVD Profiler. Excluding instrumental themes from song writer based on the lack of words does not qualify them as original scores.

They really are neither and need a third category.



This gets my vote.  Skip is right in that a theme is not a song, but neither does it qualify under the rules for a Composer credit.  Since it is not song, it also does not qualify for a Songwriter credit.  Ken should add a "Theme Composer" button to the list that already has "Composer" and "Songwriter".  After all, StarTrek without Alexander Courage is looney tune time.
John

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I agree completely with James' analysis re composer - the rules give a very clear definition of when Composer should be used - and a theme is not it.

I don't buy the "must have lyrics" argument, and I don't see what benefit it brings to us to add an additional field to cover these. Also I don't think it would fully solve the issue. What happens to another short piece of music that is not a theme? Do we add another field for them? Or ignore them?

I think they should be included in the current song writer field, so maybe we need a short clarification point in the rules that writers of any short composition should be included in the song writer field.

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You fired the firs shot, SIR. 
"You conveniently skipped right over this part."

Excuse my ignorance, but I fail to see the insult in Hal's comment. Do you think you have some sort of ownership on the word skip and any use of it in it's normal usage constitutes an insult to you? 

Please tell me I am understanding this wrong. 

The first insult I saw was "Nice ASSumption". 


Saying "you conveniently skipped over this part" is a not so subtle implication that he is being dishonest.  In essence, calling him a liar.  If that isn't an insult, what is?  And it would be an insult whether it was directed at Skip or anybody else.
John

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3. instrumental work in vocal style: an instrumental work written in the style of a composition or the voice, or, in popular music, any musical work



You conveniently skipped right over this part.


The farther down the list of definitions it is, the less relevance it has to that definition.


That's BS.  The context of the use of the word dictates which part of the defintion is relevant.  Words have numerous meanings, all of which are listed in the definition in the dictionary.

You don't just pick the first one and say, "oh, that's what that word means" without any context!  The third, fourth or fifth definition may be the only one that applies depending on how you are using the word.

In this case, the reference to "popular music" is extremely relevant.

Try another topic for licking Skip's boots!
Hal
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3. instrumental work in vocal style: an instrumental work written in the style of a composition or the voice, or, in popular music, any musical work



You conveniently skipped right over this part.


The farther down the list of definitions it is, the less relevance it has to that definition.


That's BS.  The context of the use of the word dictates which part of the defintion is relevant.  Words have numerous meanings, all of which are listed in the definition in the dictionary.

You don't just pick the first one and say, "oh, that's what that word means" without any context!  The third, fourth or fifth definition may be the only one that applies depending on how you are using the word.

In this case, the reference to "popular music" is extremely relevant.

Try another topic for licking Skip's boots!


Go #&($ yourself, Hal.  I'm nobody's lackey.

The first definition of any word in a dictionary is the most commonly used, and variations are listed in descending order after that.  And, if the definition is really outdated, it will say "archaic" or "obsolete" or something similar.  But then, no doubt YOU know better, right?  In a pig's eye!
John

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This gets my vote.  Skip is right in that a theme is not a song, but neither does it qualify under the rules for a Composer credit.  Since it is not song, it also does not qualify for a Songwriter credit.  Ken should add a "Theme Composer" button to the list that already has "Composer" and "Songwriter".  After all, StarTrek without Alexander Courage is looney tune time.


What a surprise!

Rifter agrees with Skip's extremely narrow interpretation of the word "song".

Shocking!

Amazing how you guys simply dismiss the part of the definition that doesn't happen to agree with your personal point of view!

They call that a scotoma!  (Use your Cambridge Dictionary to look it up!)
Hal
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This gets my vote.  Skip is right in that a theme is not a song, but neither does it qualify under the rules for a Composer credit.  Since it is not song, it also does not qualify for a Songwriter credit.  Ken should add a "Theme Composer" button to the list that already has "Composer" and "Songwriter".  After all, StarTrek without Alexander Courage is looney tune time.


What a surprise!

Rifter agrees with Skip's extremely narrow interpretation of the word "song".

Shocking!

Amazing how you guys simply dismiss the part of the definition that doesn't happen to agree with your personal point of view!

They call that a scotoma!  (Use your Cambridge Dictionary to look it up!)



You're an idiot, Hal!  A gold plated, blue ribboned, card carrying, certified idiot!
John

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And we're back in another mud slinging match... That was not what I was going for. I'll keep saying it:

Any original piece of music written for a movie or TV show, but NOT written by the actual composer of the score, should be treated with a "song writer" credit.

If only we can agree on that, I don't believe there will ever have to be any questions on the subject again. This would fit perfectly within the current system and the contribution rules. All we need is a nod from Ken and/or Gerri, and we're done with the whole matter.
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The first definition of any word in a dictionary is the most commonly used, and variations are listed in descending order after that. 


Common usage is irrelevant when you are talking about a word in context.  If context weren't relevant, there would only be one definition listed.

If the most common usage of the word does not apply to your use of the word in the context of the sentence you're using it in, it would be absurd to try to apply that meaning to it!

You cannot be that thick!
Hal
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Damn.....my hat is obviously malfunctioning again.....Rick, please Fedex a new one ASAP!
Hal
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Hal:

You only know how to behave one way....childishly.<shakes head>

Skip
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Outta here

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^Ignore
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It is sad, really, when otherwise intelligent adults act like this.  It makes their opinions less than worthless as all I see now is, "Blah blah, idiot.  Blah blah, childish.  Blah blah, #&($. Blah...blah...blah."

Maybe it is just me, but I just don't get it. 
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It is not just you
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Definitely not just you Unicus.
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I agree with you, unicus. bur some users around here feign intelligence while at their core, like hal they are simply distasteful people who bring very little to the discussion. There was no call for Hal's attacks on john, I am not defending John, I think sometimes he comes across a bit heavy-handed but neoither do you see me taking advantage of that to body slam him. Hal should have simply ignored, John's comments. I get tired of watching this back and forth, I also get very tired of participating. I have also repeatedly stated that i am ready when they are, but I see absolutely no evidence that some users are even willing to consider changing their attitude and behavior. I will make no further comments as they are while not meaningless certainly unwilling to be listened to or heard by some around here.

I am not the user around here makes inflammatory comment after infammatory comment and then refuses to to acknowledge that maybe despite what he may have felt he was trying to say, the words and style he chose actually communicated something which was a good bit more offensive and the makes matters worse with further SLANDEROUS and malicious comments.

I hope some users will pay attention, I'll wait and see and keep my fingers crossed. And my toes as well.

Skip
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Outta here

Billy Video
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It is sad, really, when otherwise intelligent adults act like this.  It makes their opinions less than worthless as all I see now is, "Blah blah, idiot.  Blah blah, childish.  Blah blah, #&($. Blah...blah...blah."

Maybe it is just me, but I just don't get it. 


Just try to skip past the offending posts. It's hard, I know.

I've found it much easier to read if I just browse through, skipping any post from certain people.

There have been threads lately where I've skipped whole pages though 
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