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There's a new King in town...
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BTW, you meant to say Joe Montana right?


No, I meant Dan Marino.  He is the king as far as records go.  I can only imagine what he would have done if he had Montana's team around him. 

To add to what I said earlier, I don't think we can call what Bonds is accused of cheating.  If it isn't against the rules, which it wasn't at the time, it isn't cheating.

I can go through the history of sports and name things that players did, that weren't against the rules at the time, but are now consider cheating.

  • Pitchers licking their fingers

  • Pitchers puting Vaseline on the brim of their caps

  • Corked bats

  • Pine tar

  • Stickum


  • All of those things were done to gain an advantage in the game but nobody called the people that used them cheaters.  Why?  Because they weren't against the rules.

    To take this a step farther, how do we know that Ruth or Aaron didn't use anything?  The truth is, we don't.  Take Ruth for example.  He was an overweight boozer.  If anybody needed a little 'performance enhancement', that would be the guy.  Yet nobody questions it.  Rather they point to that fact in order to prove how great he was.  Why?  Because he is a beloved sports figure.

    Mark McGwire admitted to taking androstenedione, an over-the-counter muscle enhancement product.  Nobody said a word while he was setting the single season home run record even though it had been banned by the NFL and IOC.  Why didn't anybody care?  Because it wasn't against the rules and he was a 'media darling'.

    Sammy Sosa was caught using a corked bat during a game.  He claimed it was a mistake.  He claimed he used it during batting practice to 'put on a good show for the fans'.  He got a pass despite the fact that his team didn't allow the fans to watch batting practice.  That fact was ignored and Sammy was given a pass.  Why?  Because he is a 'media darling'.

    Bonds, on the other hand, hasn't admitted to doing anything.  Not only that, he isn't guilty of breaking any MLB rules.  That fact is ignored and he is still demonized.  Why?  Because he is NOT a 'media darling'.

    As I said, I am not a baseball fan, but fair is fair.
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    Is heroin use against baseball rules?  Just asking.
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    Is heroin use against baseball rules?  Just asking.


    The use of illegal drugs is against the rules.  Steroids, while being a controled substance, aren't illegal.  Any doctor can prescribe steroids as easily as they can prescribe oxycodone.
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    Is heroin use against baseball rules?  Just asking.


    The use of illegal drugs is against the rules.  Steroids, while being a controled substance, aren't illegal.  Any doctor can prescribe steroids as easily as they can prescribe oxycodone.


    They are illegal if they are not prescribed....

    ...or said a little differently, possesion of controlled substances without a prescription is illegal.
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    For most of Mr. Bonds career, baseball did not ban steroids. Also Mr. Bonds has never tested positive for steriod use. Please explain how he cheated, if baseball did not have a policy banning the useage?

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    Is heroin use against baseball rules?  Just asking.


    The use of illegal drugs is against the rules.  Steroids, while being a controled substance, aren't illegal.  Any doctor can prescribe steroids as easily as they can prescribe oxycodone.


    They are illegal if they are not prescribed....

    ...or said a little differently, possesion of controlled substances without a prescription is illegal.



    That was my point.  People are assuming that the steroids were obtained by illegal means.  There is no proof of that.  For all we know, they were obtained by prescription.
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    There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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    Is heroin use against baseball rules?  Just asking.


    The use of illegal drugs is against the rules.  Steroids, while being a controled substance, aren't illegal.  Any doctor can prescribe steroids as easily as they can prescribe oxycodone.


    They are illegal if they are not prescribed....

    ...or said a little differently, possesion of controlled substances without a prescription is illegal.



    That was my point.  People are assuming that the steroids were obtained by illegal means.  There is no proof of that.  For all we know, they were obtained by prescription.

    That's not true. According to his testimony, his trainer gave it to him. Unless his trainer is a physician, they were obtained illegally.
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    In baseball they don't care if you do drugs the records are all fake now. They act like they care but really baseball don't care. The real records holders from yesterday have all been cheated out of their record.

    They kicked Ricky Williams out for failing drug test in football in baseball they pay you a bonus by putting you in the hall of frame. I still think Pete Rose should be allowed in the hall of shame along side of Berry Bonds.

    Grambling  and doing drugs are not that different.
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    Sorry, but I could care less.
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    That's not true. According to his testimony, his trainer gave it to him. Unless his trainer is a physician, they were obtained illegally.


    According to that same testimony, Bond's didn't know they were steroids.  With that in mind, it was the trainer that broke the law, not Bonds.  If you are going to point to the testimony, you have to point to all of it. 
    No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
    There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
    Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
    The Centauri learned this lesson once.
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    Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
    - Citizen G'Kar
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    Sorry, but I could care less.


    Then why read and respond? 
    No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
    There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
    Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
    The Centauri learned this lesson once.
    We will teach it to them again.
    Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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    He said he could care less.  That means that he cares some, right?  It would be different if he had said he couldn't care less.








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    He said he could care less.  That means that he cares some, right?  It would be different if he had said he couldn't care less.










    This is true. 
    No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
    There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
    Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
    The Centauri learned this lesson once.
    We will teach it to them again.
    Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
    - Citizen G'Kar
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