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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: | | | | i went with as is with extras, although i have no preferences at the moment but others probably do so i didn't want to be selfish... anyway, i don't want to see a full list of crew credits coming in with a profile, i'll be scrolling through the profiles for days... also, i can just see all the no votes and arguments because someone didn't enter in every last credit in the end title crawl regardless whether one is supposed to or not. i don't think any arguments will get cleared up; i think they'll be more at the voting level. and, skipper, there are people out there who will sit and do the credits for all the lotr movies, and all the special effects movies out there...and it won't seem like a chore to them; they'l probably thinks it's fun...  my crystal ball says disaster... bu that's just moi krik  | | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm also worried about the size of crew lists becoming uncontrollable.
Especially if people start cutting & pasting crew from "certain sites".
I would say we simply add a 2nd "credited as" entry for the job as well as for the name. That way people have to stay within the general confines of what we already list. |
|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I'm also worried about the size of crew lists becoming uncontrollable.
Especially if people start cutting & pasting crew from "certain sites".
I would say we simply add a 2nd "credited as" entry for the job as well as for the name. That way people have to stay within the general confines of what we already list. How is that easier than just typing in what you see on the screen? Help me understand the thought pattern behind this because I just don't understand how opening the credits will make things more complicated? | | | | Dan |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Looks like we have a couple of users who actually enjoy all the ummmm discussion. 
I think it is important to note for all that going to Open Crew should put virtual end much of these discussions, which is a BIG plus in my book.
Do I worry about someone deciding to enter EVERYTHING...yes, but I agree with Dan. Let a user tackle just one of the LOTR films and he probably won't do that again. Days and Days of data entry on ONE.movie.
Skip Oh, but you know - some of us are actually autistic by nature, so I for one would love to have open credits - but hey, that's just me.... Edit: And I would have a field day with LOTR.... | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't mean more complicated, I'm talking about the sheer size, cos you just know there will be some people out there who will type in everyone.
What I meant by my idea is that people would still have to pick a category from those already listed, thus restricting the size of the crew. But any slight differences could be covered in an open text field.
For example, the argument raging about theme writers in another topic would be solved by the person picking the name, the role "composer", but in the text box typing in "Theme by" |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I don't mean more complicated, I'm talking about the sheer size, cos you just know there will be some people out there who will type in everyone.
What I meant by my idea is that people would still have to pick a category from those already listed, thus restricting the size of the crew. But any slight differences could be covered in an open text field.
For example, the argument raging about theme writers in another topic would be solved by the person picking the name, the role "composer", but in the text box typing in "Theme by" So you prefer the "open credits" but would restrict it to the current categories? | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Open credits, I say fine, if we can get a master database implemented for the movie credits so we can handle them separately from the dvd data. The current system is very primitive with multiple profiles for each and every release, re-release, special edition, ultimate editon, extreme tin edition, region and locality of every movie, making global updates and corrections impossible. It would be madness and a huge burden on the database resources and administration adding even more data unless the database is completely redesigned. Having free credits would also mean even less search and crosslinking capabilities unless a very sophisticated parser and search engine is implemented. Without it the data would sit mostly useless unless you care to browse everything manually... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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I don't mean more complicated, I'm talking about the sheer size, cos you just know there will be some people out there who will type in everyone.
What I meant by my idea is that people would still have to pick a category from those already listed, thus restricting the size of the crew. But any slight differences could be covered in an open text field.
For example, the argument raging about theme writers in another topic would be solved by the person picking the name, the role "composer", but in the text box typing in "Theme by"
So you prefer the "open credits" but would restrict it to the current categories? Yes, ok, so I waffle!  |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
Open credits, I say fine, if we can get a master database implemented for the movie credits so we can handle them separately from the dvd data. The current system is very primitive with multiple profiles for each and every release, re-release, special edition, ultimate editon, extreme tin edition, region and locality of every movie, making global updates and corrections impossible. It would be madness and a huge burden on the database resources and administration adding even more data unless the database is completely redesigned. Having free credits would also mean even less search and crosslinking capabilities unless a very sophisticated parser and search engine is implemented. Without it the data would sit mostly useless unless you care to browse everything manually... How would it do that? We don't link through the job title. I think you have misunderstood what is being discussed. | | | | Dan |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Quoting northbloke:
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I don't mean more complicated, I'm talking about the sheer size, cos you just know there will be some people out there who will type in everyone.
What I meant by my idea is that people would still have to pick a category from those already listed, thus restricting the size of the crew. But any slight differences could be covered in an open text field.
For example, the argument raging about theme writers in another topic would be solved by the person picking the name, the role "composer", but in the text box typing in "Theme by"
So you prefer the "open credits" but would restrict it to the current categories?
Yes, ok, so I waffle! That choice is available in the poll. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
That choice is available in the poll. I know, that's why there's a '1' next to it. |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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That choice is available in the poll.
I know, that's why there's a '1' next to it. OK, The way you worded your reply, it seemed you went for one of the "as is" choices. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Quoting Staid S Barr:
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Almost like having another Credited As issue. Anyway, I expect that will all the additional work involved, not many profiles will be completed.
Another "As Credited" issue? How do you figure that? I would worry about the many ways to describe all the functions of caterers, costumers, etcetera., and the ensuing discussions on this forum. (Credited As for the function, not the name this time). What really matters in a movie is the artistic contribution: director, composer, writers. I understand some people want more, but let's keep it simple. | | | | Hans | | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Almost like having another Credited As issue. Anyway, I expect that will all the additional work involved, not many profiles will be completed.
Another "As Credited" issue? How do you figure that?
I would worry about the many ways to describe all the functions of caterers, costumers, etcetera., and the ensuing discussions on this forum. (Credited As for the function, not the name this time). Why is that a concern? In an open credit system you would simply type in what you see on screen. There is no reason for the "interpretation" discussions as we have now due to the shoehorn system we have at present. Only in the current system do we have to concern ourselves with how to describe functions. Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
What really matters in a movie is the artistic contribution: director, composer, writers. I understand some people want more, but let's keep it simple. Keeping it simple is the reason I suggest going to an "open credit" system as opposed to the "make do" system we have in place. As it is now we are constantly having to figure out what who did because we can't enter their job title as they are credited. The "open credit" system removes the necessity to describe functionality of a given job title. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
How would it do that? We don't link through the job title. I think you have misunderstood what is being discussed. Pardon me? I don't think you fully realize the complexity of what you're suggesting. Currently we link every crew name to a job, sometimes multiple jobs, and display them in a window, one entry for each profile, whenever the user clicks on a name in the credits. That's easy to implement and needs little space because the job titles are fixed and limited. But how would you start to compile and display a list of jobs to the user from an open credits list when not only the name but the job titles for the same person can differ hugely from one movie to the next? Sure, you could make a crude system that just throws up whatever line of text that matches a given name, but that's not exactly going to look neat... Unless you're suggesting that jobs would still remain fixed in the database but we use some kind of "as credited" system to link the more exotic job titles with the more common ones. I'm getting a headache just thinking about the arguments that would follow... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | damn the quote button | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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