The biggest problem I see is defining what these different terms actually mean. A concert (whether it is made into a DVD or not) has a totally different crew than a movie production does.

We have had numerous discussions about "old" film credits that don't match the current crew table and have not gotten very far in adding any of them to the table, so IMO at this time concert DVD credits should not be entered unless they exactly match the current rules table.

Anyone who would like to add some "concert specific" terminology to the crew table needs to get into the rules committee and be prepared to provide enough expert information that would be acceptable to the committee and Ken before it would be added.

As has been stated in the past, open credits for crew (with limitations on the scope of what is covered) is the only real solution to getting the myriad of differently named but same function jobs into profiler.

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I am simply opposed to "translating" other job names into the existing DVDP roles unless they are specified in the Rules.

This practice simply dilutes the credibility of the data.

We do it all the time for non English credits and we do it sometimes also for English credits. E.g. "adapted for the screen by" gets a "screenwriter" credit, "photographed by" gets a "director of photography" credit and similar. If the job description fits, I see no problem.

That's interesting. I've just come across a  "photographed by", in The Ipcress File.

By the way, a contribution has been submitted to change the Role in the db from "Director of photography" to "Cinematographer".

So, what's the right Role for a "photographed by" credit?
"Director of photography"? "Cinematographer"? None?

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So, what's the right Role for a "photographed by" credit?
"Director of photography"? "Cinematographer"? None?

Since both role names are for the same job and none of them is "as credited" both would actually fit. I would like to see director of photography since this is the more modern name of the job.

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The vote for the 'Ipcress File' update changing 'director of photography' to 'cinematographer' now stands at 6 yes-votes vs. 0 no-votes. Personally I tend to use 'director of photography' only for that exact credit, and would use 'cinematographer' for all other descriptions referring to the same job. Following that line of reasoning, 'photographed by' would indeed result in 'cinematographer'.

Would you also use "cinematographer" if the role name is in a different language (e.g. German "Bildkomposition") or would you use "director of photography" there?

Most German profiles have set "director of photography" set for the roles like "Bildkomposition", "Bild", and "Kamera" in my experience.

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The vote for the 'Ipcress File' update changing 'director of photography' to 'cinematographer' now stands at 6 yes-votes vs. 0 no-votes. Personally I tend to use 'director of photography' only for that exact credit, and would use 'cinematographer' for all other descriptions referring to the same job. Following that line of reasoning, 'photographed by' would indeed result in 'cinematographer'.

Would you also use "cinematographer" if the role name is in a different language (e.g. German "Bildkomposition") or would you use "director of photography" there?

Most German profiles have set "director of photography" set for the roles like "Bildkomposition", "Bild", and "Kamera" in my experience.

I would, actually, yes. I speak a little bit of German, and none of those examples seems a direct translation of the term "director of photography", so I wouldn't use that credit. Certainly just "Bild" and "Kamera" don't really ring D.O.P. to me. I'm not sure of such a direct translation exists, but for the few German films I own, that's the logic I used. Mind you: I'm not claiming to be correct - since there are no rules on the subject there's no such thing as right or wrong - I'm just saying how I personally handle these.

A cinematographer is one photographing with a motion picture camera (the art and science of which is known as cinematography). The title is generally equivalent to director of photography (DP or DoP), used to designate a chief over the camera and lighting crews working on a film, responsible for achieving artistic and technical decisions related to the image. The cinematographer is sometimes also the camera operator. The term cinematographer has been a point of contention for some time now; some professionals insist that it only applies when the director of photography and camera operator are the same person, although this is far from being uniformly the case. To most, cinematographer and director of photography are interchangeable terms.

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The director of photography (DP or DOP) or cinematographer creates the photography of the film. He or she cooperates with the director, director of audiography (DOA) and AD

as The Ipcress File is a 1965 film I would go for the DoP credit.