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Uncredited Cast part of Credited Crew
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Ok, this is a complicated question so please read carefully:

How should we enter uncredited cast who are part of the credited crew but not with their common name?
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I miss the option "Not at all". 
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In my opinion... As long as it can be properly documented there is no reason not to add him.. and the logical way (at least to me) is to credit him Common Name -> Role (Uncredited) using check box

I personally see the cast credits and crew credits as 2 separate sections... divided in 2 separate fields so it don't matter that this person was credited in the crew or how. Not for the cast list at least.
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I have brought that up in another discussion recently (I think when the dancers were discussed). I was getting mixed responses, some saying they are not in the cast section, so they do not get credited at all, others saying that it doesn't matter and they should get credited.

Personally I voted for entering with (uncredited). (Any needed documentation is right on the disc...)
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I don't know the situation.. so don't know if the documentation is on the disc.

I could be confused but the way I read him is that a crew member is credited in the crew section with his crew job title... not the role he played in the actual movie. In that case there would be documentation needed.

If it is a cast member credited with a role played... just in the crew section... that is a different story.
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The way that I've handled any is how Addicted2DVD stated: Common Name -> Role (Uncredited) using check box

A recent DVD that I was profiling (The Matrix -- UPC: 085391773726) has this scenario.

We all know that Andy and Larry Wachowski are the Directors & Writers, but did you know that they appear in the actual movie as well?? Check out time index 12m06s... that's the two brothers washing the windows of Neo's boss' office window.

They are of course properly credited in the crew section but not credited at all in the cast section.  So although I didn't make the original contribution listing the brothers as uncredited windowwashers, I did check it out and researched it a bit.

http://www.eeggs.com/items/4239.html
http://faculty.goucher.edu/eng215/theory_and_the_matrix.htm
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NOT AT ALL

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Quoting skipnet50:
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NOT AT ALL

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If I understand this question right... why not?  As long as a person is not credited for a role.. and can be documented that they have a role in the movie... why shouldn't they get an uncredited cast spot in profiler?

Like in example... Stephen King makes an appearance in most all his movies... but not credited in some of them. He shouldn't get an uncredited spot just because he is in the crew list as a writer?

And what about "The Birds" Alfred Hitchcock is a credited director... but he should not be in the cast list as Alfred Hitchcock as Man Walking Dogs out of Pet Shop (uncredited)... like he is now?

Don't understand why a crew member should not get credit for an uncredited cast role. 
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I don't know the situation.. so don't know if the documentation is on the disc.

What I was referring to, and I believe Martin as well, is a situation where a cast credit can be found outside the regular cast section elsewhere in the end credits. The example I remember is from at least one of the Lord of the Rings movies, where Peter Jackson's kids are credited in such way.

So, as they are not in the regular cast section, they don't get a regular cast credit. But, they are in the movie, which the credit (hence "on the disc") elsewhere in the end credit proves.
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See... I am not sure that is what he meant... and will have to wait for Martin to clarify... but he said in his original post that the person is "part of the credited crew"... that makes me think they are credited as a writer/director (whatever) but is also spotted in a movie for uncredited. And he is wondering if he should use his common name (Credited Crew Name) -  Role (Uncredited)... since he is credited as a crew member in the movie. Or if he should use common name - Role (Uncredited) since even though he is credited... it is in the crew not the cast... so should be able to credit him as his common name.

Martin... Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you.
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Quoting skipnet50:
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NOT AT ALL

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If I understand this question right... why not?  As long as a person is not credited for a role.. and can be documented that they have a role in the movie... why shouldn't they get an uncredited cast spot in profiler?

Like in example... Stephen King makes an appearance in most all his movies... but not credited in some of them. He shouldn't get an uncredited spot just because he is in the crew list as a writer?

And what about "The Birds" Alfred Hitchcock is a credited director... but he should not be in the cast list as Alfred Hitchcock as Man Walking Dogs out of Pet Shop (uncredited)... like he is now?

Don't understand why a crew member should not get credit for an uncredited cast role. 


Because what is Martin proposing to use for Documentation, Pete. IMDb...I think NOT. How many stunt people or other crew personnel are well known enough to be recognizable from a screen cap. Some directors, music, but in the most of the Crew categories very very few people are going to be able to be pointed at on a screen cap and say that's Joe Blow. In short, unfortunately, Martin has taught me to be highly skeptical of his suggestions. Martin has posted a VERY BROAD poll and i have visions of him digging up some gaffer somewhere claiming he knows him.

Secondly, those that are recognizable need to worry about Common names....probably not. Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, John Williams require common names...I doubt it. The only one that springs to mind is a credit or two that is Dick Donner, as opposed to Richard.<shrugs>

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If you look I said from the start as long as it can be documented. If it can be documented then they have the right to be added.

And there is times when it could be a need for a common name... take for example... Stephen King. He did The Running Man under his other name Richard Bachman. So if he is credited in running man as Richard Bachman - OMB (or whatever his credit is) it is well known that Richard Bachman is Stephen King... how does he get credited?

Crew:
Stephen King (Richard Bachman) - OMB (or whatever)

and if he had an uncredited role in it... would it be

Cast:
Stephen King (Richard Bachman) - Role (uncredited) (since that is how he is credited in the crew section)?
or
Stephen King - Role (Uncredited)

Since he is not credited in the cast list so you can use his common name for his name?

At least that is what I think he is getting at.

and once again... that is IF it can be documented ONLY.
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Where exactly did Martin propose to use IMDb for documentation?
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Pete:

Why would Stephen King even be a question, it is HIS name. Richard Bachman is a nom de plume. In doing a profile that would not even be a question.

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Quoting dee1959jay:
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Where exactly did Martin propose to use IMDb for documentation?


He made no comments about Documentation, deejay. As for the rest I believe that I have stated and will restate that over LONG experience, Martin has taught me to be highly skeptical of his suggestions.

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