Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:

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Quoting skipnet50:

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I would be a lot happier if he at least listed Face Off on HIS fil highlights page instead of the only resource being an IMDb link.

The question is not if my example is OK, but if the online database would benefit of credited as names of uncredited cast members in the crew section. I think it will.

how can you have a credited as name of a person who is uncredited?

I think all uncredited entries need to use the common name of the person otherwise they will not link to said persons credited roles.

-Agrare

I don't really see where the problem is Martin. The rules are quite specific:

Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name.

To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.

Since this entry is uncredited, you wouldn't use "credited as".

Quoting Agrare:

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I think all uncredited entries need to use the common name of the person otherwise they will not link to said persons credited roles.

-Agrare

It wouldn't really matter since the cast & crew databases aren't linked. If a crew member is credited in a film as an uncredited cast member, that entry won't link with his crew entries anyway.

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No... but it could if they did any other acting or uncredited appearances. Like I said... Stephen King appears in most his movies.. and he is sometimes credited as Richard Bachman. So who knows. But I would still just use the common name for the uncredited cast since he is not credited in the cast to use the credited as function.

Note that is just an example out of the top of my head... no idea if we would ever actually have an occasion to use with said individual.

You're right of course.

That is right... I forgot about that. Whenever you use the uncredited check box the credited as field gray's out. That is why Martin mentioned manually putting (Uncredited)... which for the record I completely disagree with.

I believe I understood everything you have said... I just don't agree with what you are suggesting. I believe we must use the uncredited check box and just use the most common name for any uncredited additions.

I do understand how you can see it that way. I just personally don't see it as an improvement. Especially when if done that way we can not use the uncredited Check box which would be against the rules as I see it as it says to use the check box for uncredited cast...

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Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.

Bold by me...

So what you are suggesting in my opinion does not improve the database... and it is strictly against the rules as written.

I didn't see that the second option had to manually put in uncredited however I don't think should be done as the rules state to use the uncredited check box

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Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.

the fact that they are credited as a cast doesn't matter, for the role you are listing them they are uncredited.

additionally, since their role is uncredited there is no as credited name, and the fact that the program disables this field when uncredited is checked supports that they shouldn't be credited as. Additionally, as the rules state, uncredited actors are not even required to be entered.

also from the rules:

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Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name

Additionally, the fact that they are a crew member has no bearing. Since cast and crew are not linked. If that is their only acting 'credit' then there is no rule that addresses what their name should be, but it would make most sense to use the name they are known by, this would most likely be the common name they have in the crew database. This would also allow for future linking of their cast/crew entires if this feature is ever added into the program.

additionally, the second option does not help improve the database (at least in my opinion) for the following reasons a) its using a field meant for something else (role name) to capture additional information (uncredited) b) there is already a field used to capture uncredited. It may not be available now, but with this information captured in the field, it is possible to get a listing of all of someone's uncredited roles, or the reverse ignore their uncredited roles. but not using uncredited check box you don't capture this information, and as we have seen you will end up with some uncredited roles being (uncred) or some other abbreviated form because of a long role name which eliminates searching the end of the role for (uncredited) (while it could be done, it starts to over-complicate the query)

In an unreleated yet similar thought process i would say that adding a checkbox for puppeteer would also be a good move as it allows for searching on that. though since the rules state to put (puppeteer) at the end, it is still also searchable (just not as effieciently)

-Agrare