I definitely feel that this is covered in the rules with...

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For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name.

If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:

    * If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
    * If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
    * If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

...that she is definitely credited in the episode... it says in the rules to list these people that is in the opening credits but not in the end credits... so per rules she must be credited.

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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NYPD Blue: Season 2, Episode 18: Innuendo (Gail O'Grady)

we had a near simmular discusion: Innuendo (4 April 1995) - Donna Abandando (credit only)

Addicted2DVD was first with his reply. I agree with above.

From what I could see that was a different situation - a cast member leaving a show and the contributor knowing she wasn't in the episode.

In the case of Bewitched, Agnes Moorehead is a regular cast member and continued to be in the show.

My issue is that each episode has a complete cast list with roles at the end of each episode and that is what should be used - it's an added bonus that the credits also let us know what episodes she actually appeared in.



If Pete is right regarding the section of the rules he quoted ("If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.") then the cast list would look something like this:

Agnes Moorehead as Endora
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin

Because that section of the rules states: "add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits." it would mean that the profile for each episode was totally wrong.
The only way I could see around this is:

Elizabeth Montgomery
Dick York
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin

This would be EXACTLY as the credits appear - combining opening and closing credits.

Quoting Pantheon:

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Quoting Giga Wizard:

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NYPD Blue: Season 2, Episode 18: Innuendo (Gail O'Grady)

we had a near simmular discusion: Innuendo (4 April 1995) - Donna Abandando (credit only)

Addicted2DVD was first with his reply. I agree with above.

From what I could see that was a different situation - a cast member leaving a show and the contributor knowing she wasn't in the episode.

In the case of Bewitched, Agnes Moorehead is a regular cast member and continued to be in the show.

My issue is that each episode has a complete cast list with roles at the end of each episode and that is what should be used - it's an added bonus that the credits also let us know what episodes she actually appeared in.



If Pete is right regarding the section of the rules he quoted ("If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.") then the cast list would look something like this:

Agnes Moorehead as Endora
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin

This is correct.

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Because that section of the rules states: "add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits." it would mean that the profile for each episode was totally wrong.
The only way I could see around this is:

Elizabeth Montgomery
Dick York
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin

This would be EXACTLY as the credits appear - combining opening and closing credits.

Not correct as you wouldn't list them twice... since they are listed in the end credits you wouldn't need to list them a second time.

That is also true... you can use another source for the Role if there is no role given in the credits... though I normally don't do that... I tend to just leave the role blank if there isn't one given in the credits.. as I would prefer to use multiple sources and to find multiple source to agree how such a role should be... that isn't actually a copy of the other site (every role exactly the same... a carbon copy)... it is just easier to leave them blank.

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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may i also draw the attention to this:

If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:
- If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
- If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
- If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

That actually means that in those cases where Agnes Moorehead is not mentioned in the end credits because she does not appear in the episode, she gets first billing, since she is the only one appearing in the opening credits only. All the others can be taken from the end credits, in order and with roles. A bit odd, maybe? 

By the way, the parent profile for this box set then has it wrong too, apart from spelling Morehead occasionally, and other typos.

I do the same thing you do pete. I still don't comprehend why soembody wants 20, 30, 40 or even more cast/crew datasets attached to the parent....too me it is an idea born of lunacy. and I will always vote neutral to such setups, they don't even get a second look.

Skip

That is something that shouldn't fall on us that do not use the lists in the parent profile... it should fall on the people that actually do use the lists in the parent profile.

Since I always delete the cast/crew from the parent... why should I re-download the lists and check them per credits and update them for the people that use the lists in the parent profiles? Nope... I believe that should fall on those that actually use the lists in the parent profiles.

As for looking at the lists when someone else updates... If it is something I don't use I don't bother to vote on it. And if they are changing other fields that I would use I will look at it to see if I see any glaring mistakes... but with such long lists it is more then easy to miss a few bad entries.

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That is something that shouldn't fall on us that do not use the lists in the parent profile... it should fall on the people that actually do use the lists in the parent profile.

I can see this argument when updating existing profiles. But it would at least be nice (if this isn't already done) that when someone who collects the credits for all episodes, he/she at least puts them in the parent profile. There anybody will see them even when not using child profiles. Otherwise someone (like me) who only uses parent profiles and collects the data for the whole season will not do work again someone else probably already did for the child profiles.
For example I can guess that Skip has done his share of season cast/crew data on disc level (if his contribution quota to my TV cast & crew project before we had the episode dividers is any indication). But I have never seen any of his data because I do not use the child profiles (and I cannot download hundreds of child profiles on a regular basis just to see if there has been any update to them). So it would be nice, if the original contributor or someone else also put the data in the parent profile. After his/hers first upload of this data, he/she needn't to leave the data in his/hers local profile but it least everybody profits from the collected data.